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SECURITY - Revised Uk Rules (14 Aug 2006)
From the BBC:
Following the decision to downgrade the UK terrorism threat level from "critical" to "severe", the following security measures will apply at all UK airports. Each passenger is permitted to carry one item of cabin baggage through the airport security search point. The dimensions of this item must not exceed a maximum length of 45cm, width of 35cm and depth of 16cm (17.7"×13.7"×6.2" approx) including wheels, handles, side pockets etc. Other bags, such as handbags, may be carried within the single item of cabin baggage. All items carried by passengers will be screened by X-ray. No liquids of any type are permitted through the airport security search point, other than the following items: Prescription medicines in liquid form sufficient and essential for the flight (eg diabetic kit), as long as verified as authentic. Baby milk and liquid baby food (the contents of each bottle or jar must be tasted by the accompanying passenger). The definition of liquids includes gels, pastes, lotions, liquid/solid mixtures and the contents of pressurised containers, eg toothpaste, hair gel, drinks, soups, syrups, perfume, deodorant, shaving foam, aerosols etc. To help their progress through search points, passengers are encouraged not to include items capable of containing liquids (eg bottles, flasks, tubes, cans, plastic containers etc) in their cabin baggage. All laptops and large electrical items (eg large hairdryer) must be removed from the bag and placed in a tray so that such items neither obscure nor are obscured by the bag. Pushchairs and walking aids are permitted but must be x-ray screened. Wheelchairs are permitted but must be thoroughly searched. In addition to the above, passengers boarding flights to the US and items they are carrying, including those acquired after the central screening point, will be subjected to secondary search at the gate. Any liquids discovered will be removed from the passenger. The Department for Transport say they will work closely with operators to introduce these new arrangements, seeking to keep disruption to passengers to a minimum. They say they will keep these measures under review. If passengers have any questions on their travel arrangements or security in place at airports they should contact the airport or their airline. Airport operator BAA has asked passengers not to bring hand baggage until the latest changes have been phased in at Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted. The cabin luggage restriction of 96cm total is smaller than the normal 115cm limit, but is a reasonable limit. Hopefully we will now see less of the Eiger-climber's rucksacks and wheeled wardrobes being brought on board and quite rightly so too! I hope that this ruling will also make life easier for the unfortunate cabin crew who are often expected to load the ridiculously oversized luggage which some passengers expect to bring on board. Presumably the BAA's odd request is because they are incapable of quickly briefing all their staff? |
I'm with you on this BEagle. Making the carry on limit smaller won't do any harm. I can still get my laptop and a few books in a bag this size. Don't envy the check in staff trying to explain to people that they can't carry their three ton roller bags on to the aircraft though.
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I realise its early days, but I'd be interested to see how strictly they impose the size rules as my camera bag fits easily into the "old" rules but doesnt comply with the new ones.
Any idea why the size change? I presume its something to do with what will fit inside scanning machines. Edited to add that it is no bigger than a small rucksack. |
Out of interest, what are the dimensions of your camera bag, M-o-t-F?
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The soft rucksack is 42cm long x 32cm wide(at its max) as 19cm deep, its a lowpro mini trekker and is actually smaller than my laptop bag for work!
I have also bought a hard case should it have to go in the hold, the cloth bag fits inside the hard bag and was purchased specifically because it complied with carry on size rules (as was) just in case the security level changed (looks like i've been out fumbled) It is 48 long 40 wide and 21 deep. I have no problem with checking this into the hold (sans camera of course, probably will fill with clothes). But it would have been nice to keep the two bags togetrher as intended. Thats life I suppose. The biggest relief is that the laptop can now go in the cabin, would have made the Reno Air Races bloody difficult with only a few CF cards! |
Lufthansa rules are 55 x 40 x 20, in line with most other major airlines and many passengers will have bought luggage which complies. Your mini-rucksack would have complied with that, of course... Can it be squeezed down to 16 cm deep?
It will be very interesting to see how diligently this rule will be applied - but good riddance to the wheelie-bin wardrobes! The BAA person on TV just now virtually admitted that BAA aren't capable of passing information to their staff before mid-afternoon. This is patently absurd, they need to pull their fingers out and if I was Willie Walsh or Michael O'Leary I would be insisting on that immediately - why should their airlines be obliged to inconvenience passengers because BAA are incapable of quickly applying the revised rules? I would certainly be threatening legal action as BAA are unreasonably restricting the lawful rights of passengers. |
Can it be squeezed down to 16 cm deep? |
BBC now reporting the government has eased restrictions on hand luggage to allow it as before but with the exception of liquids. :D
However pax are turning up with this new information from the government with their hand luggage only to be told its still banned by the airport operators!!!:ugh: |
I'm sure there is a reason that the BAA says it will take a day or so to allow people to have hand luggage (sans liquid) ... but I'm blowed if I can understand why. Even the (out of date) website information doesn't tell it's travelling shopper that. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by BEagle
The BAA person on TV just now virtually admitted that BAA aren't capable of passing information to their staff before mid-afternoon. This is patently absurd, they need to pull their fingers out...
Andy |
Originally Posted by skydriller
BBC now reporting the government has eased restrictions on hand luggage to allow it as before but with the exception of liquids. :D
However pax are turning up with this new information from the government with their hand luggage only to be told its still banned by the airport operators!!!:ugh: With the best will in the world, it'll take half a day at-least to turn that into a company document, fit it in with procedures, get it out to all of the airports, and have local supervisors re-brief their own staff. Maybe they did it a little faster with the imposition of restrictions (although somehow I suspect that BAA had some reasonable warning), but you do if it's "don't do this now and you may lose aircraft", whereas you take your time a little bit to get it "more right" when it's not so immediately life or death. G |
As a member of the majority law abiding masses in the UK, I have watched the introduction of plainly absurd/draconian rules introduced in order to pander to a religious minority with dismay. Where is the modern equivalent of Wat Tyler, I await his arrival with fervour!
In the meantime, as one of the discriminated against majority I shall in future travel to Brussels and/or Paris by Eurostar and interline from there. I suggest regular travellers do the same which will have an additional +ve benefit of possibly resurrecting my Eurotunnel shares! Alternatively, for those of us resident in the south-east, travel from Norwich, Manston, Lydd, Southampton or Bournemouth to Amsterdam, Paris or Frankfurt/Munich for a much more relaxing aviation experience. Goodbye BAA, you finally blew it.:* PS: You've known about liquid explosive since 1995 & Ramsi Yousef, why weren't you prepared? |
Just measured the new carry on i bought three weeks ago which hasn't been off the ground yet. I realised when i bought it that it was smaller than it's predecessor which was in the "allowed range" but thought smaller would avoid any hassle at check in. Well, the new bag measures 48 x 37 x 17 !!
I haven't seen any wheeled bags smaller than this so i expect that BAA have "measured" most carry ons out of the system. Deliberate, I wonder?? |
This is good news but I think it will add to the chaos in the short term as security decide on the size of the bag and the time spent extracting articles which may or may not be able to carry liquids.
I hope the size limit is adpoted on a long term basis. |
I see that the TSA have banned aerosols
Wonder how this will affect my prescription Inhaler! |
Not being faceatious, but I make all my own baby food and heat it up and transport it in a food thermos. We are flying to the US (if I get my leave) the second week of october will I have any problems? Also I carry a water bottle for the baby too, will I have to get rid of that too because it's not classed as "food or milk?"
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Latest from the BBC:
Each passenger will now be permitted to carry one item of cabin baggage through the airport security search point. However, airport operator BAA is warning there will be delays in implementing the policy at some of its airports. BAA says the changes will not come into force at Heathrow and Gatwick until 0430 BST on Tuesday. Stansted is also not due to lift the restrictions until Tuesday, once managers have had the chance to brief all its security staff. In the meantime at those airports, the restrictions on hand luggage put in place last Thursday will remain. Passengers are being advised to go prepared and take clear, plastic bags with them. For those allowed to take hand luggage on board, the dimensions of this item must not exceed a maximum length of 45cm, width of 35cm and depth of 16cm (17.7"x13.7"x6.2" approx) including wheels, handles, side pockets, etc. Other bags, such as handbags, may be carried within the single item of cabin baggage. All items carried by passengers will be screened by X-ray. No liquids of any type are permitted through the airport security search point, other than the following items: Prescription medicines in liquid form sufficient and essential for the flight (eg diabetic kit), as long as verified as authentic. Baby milk and liquid baby food (the contents of each bottle or jar must be tasted by the accompanying passenger). The definition of liquids includes gels, pastes, lotions, liquid/solid mixtures and the contents of pressurised containers, eg toothpaste, hair gel, drinks, soups, syrups, perfume, deodorant, shaving foam, aerosols etc. To help their progress through search points, passengers are encouraged not to include items capable of containing liquids (eg bottles, flasks, tubes, cans, plastic containers etc) in their cabin baggage. All laptops and large electrical items (eg large hairdryer) must be removed from the bag and placed in a tray so that such items neither obscure nor are obscured by the bag. Pushchairs and walking aids are permitted but must be x-ray screened. Wheelchairs are permitted but must be thoroughly searched. In addition to the above, passengers boarding flights to the US and items they are carrying, including those acquired after the central screening point, will be subjected to secondary search at the gate. Any liquids discovered will be removed from the passenger. The Department for Transport says it will work closely with operators to introduce these new arrangements, seeking to keep disruption to passengers to a minimum. They say they will keep these measures under review. Some airports not operated by BAA, which is also responsible for Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Southampton, have brought in the new measures, including Manchester and Newcastle. However, a spokeswoman for Newcastle Airport said some passengers were turning up with hand luggage that was too big under the new restrictions. If passengers have any questions on their travel arrangements or security in place at airports, they should contact the airport or their airline. G |
Genghis: Ideal world maybe.. but they managed to get the "new rules" in place within an hour or two after the early morning phone call.
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Can someone PLEASE rid us of these pompous idiots that are BAA ?? There cannot be ANY vaild reason to restrict the size of carry-ons by a few centimeters to a non-standard size. It's obviously yet another grandstanding, a:mad: -covering exercise by a few tossers who couldn't run a whelk stall, let alone an airport ! The sooner Ferrovial install their management team and turf out these people who run shopping malls disguised as airports, the better.
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Not being faceatious, but I make all my own baby food and heat it up and transport it in a food thermos. We are flying to the US (if I get my leave) the second week of october will I have any problems? Also I carry a water bottle for the baby too, will I have to get rid of that too because it's not classed as "food or milk?" Probably an idea to take a spare, empty bottle that can filled on the aircraft, if necessary. |
Originally Posted by BEagle
The dimensions of this item must not exceed a maximum length of 45cm, width of 35cm and depth of 16cm (17.7"×13.7"×6.2" approx) including wheels, handles, side pockets etc.[/B]
IIRC there was a thread running on the horrendous queues for T4 security a while back, which BAA tried to blame on the volume of cabin baggage, attempted to restrict pax to one bag totally ignored the individual airline allowances, and had to back down. Then BA raised the stakes by raising the cabin baggage allowance for all. Perhaps we are seeing BAA try to get its original plan in by the back door? |
Rediculous Hyper-baggage restrictions
Typical hyper over-reaction by that home of the jobsworth - BAA. If any organisation can organise an inefficient service, these guys are the real pros.
Just notice the arm-folded jobsworths standing around the 'security area' when you next pass through an airport, despite their being a huge q of people lining up to get to their gates. I agree, it is time for Ferovial to shake up the 'shopping mall operator' very soon. Notice the signs in the 'secure area' warning us not to abuse the BAA staff, what about the trivial and woefull service that BAA provide to the passangers. It should be their duty to get us to our gates in a swift and efficient manner - simple really - not to bombard us with petty regulations about laser pointers and nail clippers as well as bottled water or anything else. Also well done to W Walsh for having the **lls to stand up and slam them on TV, for being so disorganised. My plight is simple - I want to carry enough stuff for a one or two night stay in Europe. I travel with BA every week to either Brussels, FKFT, Spain or Greece. I do not want to check anything in, I pay to fly with BA because they allow me to carry my 'wheeled wardrobe' into the cabin. It fits through the xray machine and in the overhead locker without problem. It also allows me to pack a couple of shirts and pants as well as my computer and work stuff. I bought a new one last month - to comply with the 'new' regulations. That is now obselete because of the new rules announced today. Grow up BAA and smell the roses before you destroy what should be a pleasant experience. |
We Can Detect Liquid Explosives...
Article here from Wired magazine
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Originally Posted by Genghis the Engineer
With the best will in the world, it'll take half a day at-least to turn that into a company document, fit it in with procedures, get it out to all of the airports, and have local supervisors re-brief their own staff.
It's just general incompetence and further disregard for their customers. |
Originally Posted by BEagle
From the BBC:
(the contents of each bottle or jar must be tasted by the accompanying passenger). I also wouldn't have thought sipping/eating a tiny bit of an explosive chemical would be that much of a deterrant to someone who plans to blow themselves up a few hours later, unless the stuff is so bad it makes you throw up immediately, and they can't train themselves to take it. |
Originally Posted by 172driver
Can someone PLEASE rid us of these pompous idiots that are BAA ?? There cannot be ANY vaild reason to restrict the size of carry-ons by a few centimeters to a non-standard size.
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Yes, by the Dft, but I'd be willing to bet they've consulted before imposing those rules. And who do they consult - each airline, or the bad old BAA? I think I can guess which.
The rules are very precise - specifically including wheels and handles etc - which led me to presume that they'd have some luggage guages set up to make sure nothing oversize gets through. Without the guages, there'd always be room for argument. I thought it'd probably take some time for them to get new guages made up, then I read "Haven't a clue"'s comments and indeed it makes me wonder whether the BAA have effectively just managed to achieve through the back door what they failed to achieve some time back - i.e. overriding guidelines on hand baggage sizes that are way more onerous than the airline's own rules. I can just imagine it now: Dft "What size do you think we should allow, Mr. BAA" Mr. BAA: "Well, we have these guages already made up, so to make things easy..." Perhaps there was no terrorist threat - perhaps it was all a scam that allowed the BAA to get its way with hand baggage ;) I'd also be willing to bet the "one piece only" bit gets abandoned at the boarding gate - perrish the thought if our reduced sized carry ons didn't have enough room in them to accommodate all the duty free and other items they want us to spend money on. Still, all things considered its a lot better than before. I'd be quite happy to carry the lap top and/or camera in the ubiquitous clear plastic bag if it made the difference between taking it with me and checking it in. Andy |
Originally Posted by EastMids
I'd also be willing to bet the "one piece only" bit gets abandoned at the boarding gate - perrish the thought if our reduced sized carry ons didn't have enough room in them to accommodate all the duty free and other items they want us to spend money on.
Still, all things considered its a lot better than before. I'd be quite happy to carry the lap top and/or camera in the ubiquitous clear plastic bag if it made the difference between taking it with me and checking it in. Andy At least now we can hand carry a laptop, camera, paperwork and the expensive stuff that the baggage staff seem to enjoy stealing. |
EastMids, my thinking entirely. I would suggest BA (and others) start playing hardball with these guys, e.g. withholding landing fees etc until they sort themselves out. BAA are a disgrace to a civilized country.
Perhaps the government could also wake up to the fact that these tossers are actually inflicting serious economic harm on the UK. Image the next discussion in a boardroom somewhere, along the lines of 'where should we site our new EMEA HQ'? I bet the debate will rather quickly be accompanied by moans and groans about LHR. Certainly in itself not a factor, but there's always the last straw..... |
Wonderful story which may or may not be true of a 12 year old boy coming down from Cumbria on the train to LGW and then walking through central search down to a gate and almost getting on an aircraft without a ticket and begin discovered as he boarded the aircraft gate 35 at LGW, but at least he did not have a bottle of water on him
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Perhaps if the airside retail operators were forced to charge normal high street/supermarket prices, people would not want to bring so much with them for their flights.
If you are not a UK resident, your final memory of the Old Country is being ripped off! Perhaps Willie Walsh could now ask the DfT and BAA, just how they arrived at the hand baggage size ? |
Chandler's dad. Doesn't the handbag have to be packed within the permitted 1 piece of hand baggage? That's how the DfT website is reporting things....
Each passenger is permitted to carry ONE item of cabin baggage through the airport security search point. The dimensions of this item must not exceed: a maximum length of 45 cm, width of 35 cm and depth of 16 cm (17.7"×13.7"×6.2" approx) (including wheels, handles, side pockets etc.). Other bags, such as handbags, may be carried within the single item of cabin baggage. All items carried by passengers will be x-ray screened. |
Btw, if anyone here wants to give the DfT a piece of their mind, the email address to write to (I just have) is:
[email protected] |
From listening to phone in programmes on various radio stations it seems that the new security procedures have been a god sent to thieves.
Checked in laptops, mobile phones etc. have not been arriving at their destinations. In many instances the carrying case of the laptop is all that arrives. Security my hat! |
172driver, I am somewhat perplexed by your arguments. For far too long passengers have abused the carry-on luggage rules and I, for one, will be very glad to see the 'briefcase' ruling continue. Those damned wheelie-bin wardrobes should go in the hold.
BAA will soon start squealing when no-one buys their expensive duty-free perfumes and spirits, so I imagine things will change again soon. |
BEagle, I don't really get yours. Can you explain what difference it makes to take a normal size carry-on or the DfT/BAA invented size? While I'd agree that the rules were abused in the past, the good ol' 115cm rule made and makes perfect sense - not every bag can be squeezed down to 16cm high! And please don't start any 'security' argument - we all know that 'security' is used to cover all and any abuse of power these days.
BAA singularily fail to provide what they get paid for - a service. Yes, that's right: their job is to provide a service !! Both to the airlines and the pax. This is something they seem to have missed a long time ago, but only now can they really let rip under the guise of 'security'. Let's just hope Ferrovial change the entire management team asap. |
E mail address Too Long
Originally Posted by 172driver
Btw, if anyone here wants to give the DfT a piece of their mind, the email address to write to (I just have) is:
[email protected] |
Checked in laptops, mobile phones etc. have not been arriving at their destinations. In many instances the carrying case of the laptop is all that arrives. Here is an article typical of the 'rising crescendo' in the media: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33671 |
Originally Posted by A2QFI
My ISP says that this address is more than 16 symbols symbols long and can't be used. I have composed a delightful Grumpogram and I can't send it! Any ideas please. The idea that lopping an inch or two off the size of carry-on luggage is going to improve anything, least of all security, is ludicrous!
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Originally Posted by Airbubba
There are calls to ban cellphones and computers with lithium batteries from passenger planes permanently. Perhaps they would be shipped by a courier service? Sounds wacky but so does banning lip gloss.
Here is an article typical of the 'rising crescendo' in the media: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33671 This is well worth keeping an eye on these days. If I even think I have smelled smoke, the mask is coming on and we are descending. If we are "feet wet" then we are heading to our diversion airport immediately. |
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