Break in Journey/Missed Connection
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Break in Journey/Missed Connection
A question which perhaps someone knows the answer to?
If I have a return air ticket with a connection at an intermediary city, what would be the consequences of "failing to make it to the gate" for the connecting flight, not bothering to take a subsequent flight, and then getting on the homeward bound flight when it came past on a subsequent day?
Would I be denied boarding for the homeward flight?
Would there be an almighty security scare when I missed my flight? (Obviously I'd have no carry-on baggage, so that shouldn't be an issue)
Best of all, has anyone done this?
Are there any variations in airline policy towards this kind of passenger behaviour?
Any clues gratefully received. Thx.
By the way, it isn't to get a lower fare to the connecting city, it would be much cheaper to just buy a ticket for that city. There are other, more bizarre, reasons for asking.
If I have a return air ticket with a connection at an intermediary city, what would be the consequences of "failing to make it to the gate" for the connecting flight, not bothering to take a subsequent flight, and then getting on the homeward bound flight when it came past on a subsequent day?
Would I be denied boarding for the homeward flight?
Would there be an almighty security scare when I missed my flight? (Obviously I'd have no carry-on baggage, so that shouldn't be an issue)
Best of all, has anyone done this?
Are there any variations in airline policy towards this kind of passenger behaviour?
Any clues gratefully received. Thx.
By the way, it isn't to get a lower fare to the connecting city, it would be much cheaper to just buy a ticket for that city. There are other, more bizarre, reasons for asking.
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Hi, you don't say if the second leg is with the same carrier? It seems like it is - in which case you might have more of a problem. Both from the security and return flight aspect.
Also, if you are checked through to destination, don't forget that you will cause delays at the staging post.
So, I suspect, that the key aspect will be if it is two flights that you have put together for your convenience or if you have to break your journey because it suits the carrier. If so - they consider it one journey.
I sit to be corrected.
Also, if you are checked through to destination, don't forget that you will cause delays at the staging post.
So, I suspect, that the key aspect will be if it is two flights that you have put together for your convenience or if you have to break your journey because it suits the carrier. If so - they consider it one journey.
I sit to be corrected.
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In some airlines like SQ, your entire remaining bookings gets xxled automatically the moment you become a no show.
Used to happen in some domestic flights in India and guess it
can happen here!
Interestingly a somewhat similar situation actually occured last year in Colombo. A number of Air Lanka flights were diverted to Madras in South India as they could not land at Colombo due to the terrorist attack in Colombo airport. Quite a few of the pax in those flights were infact destined for Madras (they were to take a connecting flight at Colombo!). Must have been a quicker than expected jouney back home for these guys (Unless aviation bureaucracy forced them to go back to Colombo and back again-unlikely since the UL fleet suddenly got drastically reduced!)
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Used to happen in some domestic flights in India and guess it
can happen here!
Interestingly a somewhat similar situation actually occured last year in Colombo. A number of Air Lanka flights were diverted to Madras in South India as they could not land at Colombo due to the terrorist attack in Colombo airport. Quite a few of the pax in those flights were infact destined for Madras (they were to take a connecting flight at Colombo!). Must have been a quicker than expected jouney back home for these guys (Unless aviation bureaucracy forced them to go back to Colombo and back again-unlikely since the UL fleet suddenly got drastically reduced!)
Cheers
Rajeev
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Thanks for those.
yeah, I thought about the delay PAXboy. It always annoys the **** out of me when they keep calling someone for my flight. I mean, where the hell do these people go? It's an airport, not a tourist attraction, what else can they be up to?
Second flight might be the same carrier, might be a code share. (Depends on the route and time of day, basically).
rsoman - when you say the remaining bookings get cancelled - I assume you mean any 'return' segments also.
Looks like this cunning idea might not be so cunning after all
yeah, I thought about the delay PAXboy. It always annoys the **** out of me when they keep calling someone for my flight. I mean, where the hell do these people go? It's an airport, not a tourist attraction, what else can they be up to?
Second flight might be the same carrier, might be a code share. (Depends on the route and time of day, basically).
rsoman - when you say the remaining bookings get cancelled - I assume you mean any 'return' segments also.
Looks like this cunning idea might not be so cunning after all
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Looks like this cunning idea might not be so cunning after all
Yeah, you simply cannot get away with this any more. No-show for any segment and the entire remaining itinerary is immediately binned. Then you are faced with a change fee to resurrect it (at least), or on some airlines/fares you would need a completely new ticket at last-minute fare.
If the outbound is same carrier or codeshare then you will likely get a boarding pass for the second segment at original check in, thereby becoming one of those annoying 'pagees'.
I assume you are aware that stopovers are allowed at the connection point - up to 4 hours domestic, 24 hours international (US rules).
Yeah, you simply cannot get away with this any more. No-show for any segment and the entire remaining itinerary is immediately binned. Then you are faced with a change fee to resurrect it (at least), or on some airlines/fares you would need a completely new ticket at last-minute fare.
If the outbound is same carrier or codeshare then you will likely get a boarding pass for the second segment at original check in, thereby becoming one of those annoying 'pagees'.
I assume you are aware that stopovers are allowed at the connection point - up to 4 hours domestic, 24 hours international (US rules).
Assume, for one moment, you can overcome the issues about security and onward segments (including the return) being cancelled there is also the question of the fare you will have paid. If it is a restricted fare then I'd say your chances are not good (without paying a penalty).
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I think that that might be an IATA rule to determine a valid fare. (I'm basing that on having picked up bits helping my girlfriend revise for a ticketing exam!) if I remember right you would be allowed to book a ticket with that period of time between flights but I don't think that you can demand it. And in anycase you would still be expected to take the second leg.
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Best bet - talk to your friendly travel agent, they have all sorts of ticketing tricks - but be warned the airlines know them all and especially in these tough times, look for them all. If they spot you using them they will enforce the rules - including as mentioned by others canceling the rest of the booking irespective of how incovenient / costly it is for you.
Good luck if you try it - i'd give a back to back a go but not missing a second leg.
I assume you are aware that stopovers are allowed at the connection point - up to 4 hours domestic, 24 hours international (US rules).
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Best bet - talk to your friendly travel agent, they have all sorts of ticketing tricks - but be warned the airlines know them all and especially in these tough times, look for them all. If they spot you using them they will enforce the rules - including as mentioned by others canceling the rest of the booking irespective of how incovenient / costly it is for you.
Good luck if you try it - i'd give a back to back a go but not missing a second leg.
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memetic as I understand it providing there are seats available at the fare you are booking, the airline will allow you to 'stopover' for the specified time. You do have to ask because otherwise they will just put you on the next legal connection.
I've done it several times domestically, but never tried it for international. You'd have to do some research to find a flight departing the next day at a time earlier than you arrived. Mostly the connection leaves at the same time every day, in which case it's more than 24 hours.
You are correct that the second segment must be taken, but I don't think you have to go on the very next flight if there are others available within the time.
I've done it several times domestically, but never tried it for international. You'd have to do some research to find a flight departing the next day at a time earlier than you arrived. Mostly the connection leaves at the same time every day, in which case it's more than 24 hours.
You are correct that the second segment must be taken, but I don't think you have to go on the very next flight if there are others available within the time.
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I've done it several times domestically, but never tried it for international. You'd have to do some research to find a flight departing the next day at a time earlier than you arrived. Mostly the connection leaves at the same time every day, in which case it's more than 24 hours.
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Interesting point you have raised and let me relate an experience a friend of mine had.
Travelling from Athens to Trivandrum in India he was booked via
Bahrain and Muscat on Gulf Air.
Sitting in the business class lounge at Bahrain awaiting his connection to Muscat and to Trivandrum, he sees a Direct flight to Trivandrum being displayed on the flight information board.
Boards the flight to Muscat and connects to the Trivandrum flight only to find that it was the flight he saw displayed in Bahrain!
Why was he made to hop into a plane to muscat only to join the plane coming from Bahrain?
Answer was simple, the travel agent checked his computer for flights from Bahrain to Trivandrum departing in the evening and was "informed" that there were no direct flights that day!
Computer was not wrong! The direct flight (which my friend finally boarded at Muscat) departed at 0001 the next day!
My friend was not exactly AMUSED!
So beware guys if you are asking for a evening flight and your friendly travel agent informs you that the only connection available is an unusually long one via a roundabout routing
DO request the agent to check whether there is one early morning the next day!
You may even find yourself reaching earlier!
Cheers
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I've done it several times domestically, but never tried it for international. You'd have to do some research to find a flight departing the next day at a time earlier than you arrived. Mostly the connection leaves at the same time every day, in which case it's more than 24 hours.
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Interesting point you have raised and let me relate an experience a friend of mine had.
Travelling from Athens to Trivandrum in India he was booked via
Bahrain and Muscat on Gulf Air.
Sitting in the business class lounge at Bahrain awaiting his connection to Muscat and to Trivandrum, he sees a Direct flight to Trivandrum being displayed on the flight information board.
Boards the flight to Muscat and connects to the Trivandrum flight only to find that it was the flight he saw displayed in Bahrain!
Why was he made to hop into a plane to muscat only to join the plane coming from Bahrain?
Answer was simple, the travel agent checked his computer for flights from Bahrain to Trivandrum departing in the evening and was "informed" that there were no direct flights that day!
Computer was not wrong! The direct flight (which my friend finally boarded at Muscat) departed at 0001 the next day!
My friend was not exactly AMUSED!
So beware guys if you are asking for a evening flight and your friendly travel agent informs you that the only connection available is an unusually long one via a roundabout routing
DO request the agent to check whether there is one early morning the next day!
You may even find yourself reaching earlier!
Cheers
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Yep can't disagree with that, bad phrasing late at night from me in my post.
I understand it providing there are seats available at the fare you are booking, the airline will allow you to 'stopover' for the specified time. You do have to ask because otherwise they will just put you on the next legal connection.
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You are correct that the second segment must be taken, but I don't think you have to go on the very next flight if there are others available within the time.
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You are correct that the second segment must be taken, but I don't think you have to go on the very next flight if there are others available within the time.
