Short 340/360

[justapax]

These two used to be the backbone of Aer Lingus's domestic fleet, and as such I flew in them often. They also used to fly BRS-DUB and BRS-ORK. Being unpressurised, they flew through the weather, which being Irish weather, was often interesting. I never had a problem with this, but some of my work colleagues developed a delicate shade of green in the face. One in particular used to get distinctly queasy when the engines were running at different speeds, giving rise to a cyclic drone throughout the cabin.

I still had both lungs back in those days, so the lack of pressurisation wasn't a problem.

What was it like to fly, as opposed to fly in? Uplinker?

[TURIN]

The Shed and Super Shed if I recall.😁

[justapax]

Originally Posted by TURIN

The Shed and Super Shed if I recall.😁

These aircraft had lots of names. The vomit comet. The box it came in. Those were just two.

[DaveReidUK]

330, not 340.

Saab had a 340, but it wasn't as good.

[fdcg27]

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

330, not 340.

Saab had a 340, but it wasn't as good.

Well yeah, it had defects like pressurization.
Both the Shorts and the Saab saw service as contracted feeders in the US for the majors.
Imagine connecting from a long-haul flight from wherever and then spending your last couple of hundred miles in a Shed.

[justapax]

Originally Posted by fdcg27

Well yeah, it had defects like pressurization.

I never flew in it, or the Saab 2000. Wasn't one or the other the first to use active noise cancellation to keep the cabin noise down to an acceptable level?

[fdcg27]

Originally Posted by Justapax1

I never flew in it, or the Saab 2000. Wasn't one or the other the first to use active noise cancellation to keep the cabin noise down to an acceptable level?

Saabs delivered starting in 1994 did have active noise reduction.
I never flew in one either so I have no idea if or how well this worked.

[pppdrive]

Did many a trip USA or Europe to Brisbane then onto the 330 (Irish Concord) or 360 (Irish Super Concord) and sometimes even a Bandit or Twotter for the trip to Hervey Bay. From what I remember, our Engineers loved 330/360, on delivery they just opened the box, took out the wings, nailed them to top of box, stapled engines to the wing and it was good for 'service.' Never had a pressurisation problem with them as difficult to have a problem with something that wasn't there. When flying was fun I remember.

[Mr Mac]

I only did one trip in a shed from Edinburgh to Leeds Bradford on a very cold winters Thursday night, in around 1995 (It was for an evening interview). The return was the following morning at some ungodly hour, and the Shed was freezing, with a large air blower piping warm air into Pax cabin. Both flight were in cold stable air, and at relatively low level, so nice views of cars on M6 on the way down and early sun rise over Lake District / Borders on return. Had to drive back South following evening, but got the job so hence my clear memory of my Shed experience, but can not remember the carrier, but it was an odd one maybe Gill Airlines I am not sure, and a Wiki search did not help either.
Cheers
Mr Mac

[Andy_S]

I only flew a Short 330 once, in the 80's - MME to BHD with Jersey European. I didn't really know much about aircraft types back then so I probably didn't know what to expect....... But I was amused, subsequently, to hear it described as a garden shed with wings.

It was a clear summer day and I don't remember much about the flight itself other than the great views of the Lake District.

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by Mr Mac

but can not remember the carrier, but it was an odd one maybe Gill Airlines I am not sure, and a Wiki search did not help either.
Cheers
Mr Mac

Probably Capital

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_Airlines_(UK)

[Level bust]

I did a couple of jumpseat rides on both the 330 and the 360. The seat was to the left of the captain, which made the perspective when you came to land look very odd!

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by fdcg27

Both the Shorts and the Saab saw service as contracted feeders in the US for the majors.
Imagine connecting from a long-haul flight from wherever and then spending your last couple of hundred miles in a Shed.

Did that quite a few times in the US.

Much better view.

[Mr Mac]

SWBKCB
I thought maybe Capital as well, but unfortunately they went bust in 1990 apparently, and I didn’t join that business until mid 90,s, so unless Wiki wrong then Capital ruled out.

However Capital was formed from Brown Air who I flew to Oslo with from LBA a number of times in 1984 I think, and that was a quite unique carrier, more 633 Squadron than an airline, but great fun with very happy crew. Still no idea re Short carrier though.
Cheers
Mr Mac

[treadigraph]

I recall Brown Air had a fleet of Gulfstream 1s to start with?

[Mr @ Spotty M]

fdcg27.
I once flew to JFK on the early morning Concorde flight and then onwards to Buffalo on a Shed.
Can't remember if it was a 330 or 360, but was quite a sight waiting for take-off watching a B747 touching down right next to you.

[artee]

Originally Posted by Mr @ Spotty M

fdcg27.
I once flew to JFK on the early morning Concorde flight and then onwards to Buffalo on a Shed.
Can't remember if it was a 330 or 360, but was quite a sight waiting for take-off watching a B747 touching down right next to you.

Concorde to Shed - that could be some sort of record. Sublime to corblimey.

[redsnail]

I flew the the SD330 and SD 360 for about a year in 2003 for a night freight company amusingly called "Streamline". The P&W PT6 was a pretty reliable engine. The flight deck was surprisingly spacious with individual crewmember doors which made us laugh.
The aircraft itself was very cold to operate in winter as it being non pressurised, it leaked like a sieve in wet weather and a lot of the insulation was taken out. Boxes don't care.
The cargo fire ex system was basic. The antiskid system were maxarets, same as the Hawker 800 I later flew.
Good first job.

[Hipennine]

As a pax, you knew you were flying in a different class of aircraft from the sign fitted to the bulkhead at the front of the cabin which declared "Lavatory at Back".

[artee]

Originally Posted by Hipennine

As a pax, you knew you were flying in a different class of aircraft from the sign fitted to the bulkhead at the front of the cabin which declared "Lavatory at Back".

Given that it was un-pressurised, surely it would have sufficed to say "For matters lavatorial, please open the main door carefully..."