Another Air Rage Idiot...
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Another Air Rage Idiot...
From BBC News Website...
'A Briton could face up to 20 years in jail after allegedly attacking an air crew on a flight to Florida.
Victor Mardell, 57, from London, is being held at Seminole County Jail in Orlando, Florida after being arrested as he disembarked from an Air 2000 flight.
FBI agent Nickolas Savage said Mr Mardell was "extremely drunk" and attacked two air stewardesses as the flight from Manchester descended towards Orlando-Sanford International Airport.
Mr Mardell has been charged with interfering with a flight crew, which carries a maximum 20-year sentence.
He will appear before a federal court in Orlando on Monday.
Mr Savage said Mr Mardell brought two bottles of whiskey on board the eight-and-a-half hour flight, which stopped in Ireland en route to Florida.
Broke free
The FBI agent said he began to swear and make threats in the last 20 minutes of the flight and was restrained in his seat by fellow passengers.
But Mr Savage said Mr Mardell broke free as the plane came in to land and attempted to hit and choke one of the flight attendants.
When another stewardess went to help, Mr Mardell grabbed her wrist and threw her against a toilet door, Mr Savage said.
He said: "As many as seven passengers had to restrain him until authorities could board the plane."
Air 2000 was unavailable for comment. '
Lets hope he enjoys his 20 years in a US jail - maybe even sharing his cell with a bull queen. Might make others think before they pick on defenceless crew.
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'A Briton could face up to 20 years in jail after allegedly attacking an air crew on a flight to Florida.
Victor Mardell, 57, from London, is being held at Seminole County Jail in Orlando, Florida after being arrested as he disembarked from an Air 2000 flight.
FBI agent Nickolas Savage said Mr Mardell was "extremely drunk" and attacked two air stewardesses as the flight from Manchester descended towards Orlando-Sanford International Airport.
Mr Mardell has been charged with interfering with a flight crew, which carries a maximum 20-year sentence.
He will appear before a federal court in Orlando on Monday.
Mr Savage said Mr Mardell brought two bottles of whiskey on board the eight-and-a-half hour flight, which stopped in Ireland en route to Florida.
Broke free
The FBI agent said he began to swear and make threats in the last 20 minutes of the flight and was restrained in his seat by fellow passengers.
But Mr Savage said Mr Mardell broke free as the plane came in to land and attempted to hit and choke one of the flight attendants.
When another stewardess went to help, Mr Mardell grabbed her wrist and threw her against a toilet door, Mr Savage said.
He said: "As many as seven passengers had to restrain him until authorities could board the plane."
Air 2000 was unavailable for comment. '
Lets hope he enjoys his 20 years in a US jail - maybe even sharing his cell with a bull queen. Might make others think before they pick on defenceless crew.
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Do crews and passengers really have to endure this any longer?
Perhaps it is time to stop selling alcohol on aircraft. Would these incidents still occur if it were banned? Surely most passengers can manage even a long flight without a drink.
We may have to put up with drunken loutishness elsewhere, but onboard an aircraft is one place it should be stopped.
Perhaps it is time to stop selling alcohol on aircraft. Would these incidents still occur if it were banned? Surely most passengers can manage even a long flight without a drink.
We may have to put up with drunken loutishness elsewhere, but onboard an aircraft is one place it should be stopped.
Hang on a minute. 'He bought 2 bottles of whisky'? Presumably that's 2 litres or so - not just a couple of little miniatures?
Did the airline really let him drink his way through '2 bottles of whisky' on their flight?
Of course there is no place for drunken hooligans on any aeroplane though. But I'm not convinced that alcohol prohibition would be acceptable to the vast majority of normal travellers.
Did the airline really let him drink his way through '2 bottles of whisky' on their flight?
Of course there is no place for drunken hooligans on any aeroplane though. But I'm not convinced that alcohol prohibition would be acceptable to the vast majority of normal travellers.
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Absolutely correct BEagle. Right or wrong, the cabin staff are obliged to ensure that pax. are not sold in excess of their tax free allowance, let alone consume it whilst airbourne.
Despite that, to follow macky42's suggestion is typically "Blairish." Sure, let's punish the VAST majority of decent law abiding pax. because of the TINY minority of miscreants.
In reallity these kind of incidents are few and far between, particularly when you consider that the likes of just Airtours (sorry - Mytravel) and Britannia alone shift tens of millions of punters per annum, let alone adding the other carriers such as Air 2000, JMC et al to the equation - and that's just the U.K. charter market.
Regrettably these stories are given front page coverage by sensationalist tabloid media hacks. For Christ's sake, the BBC have just reported it ahead of the the Pope's latest escapades.
Despite that, to follow macky42's suggestion is typically "Blairish." Sure, let's punish the VAST majority of decent law abiding pax. because of the TINY minority of miscreants.
In reallity these kind of incidents are few and far between, particularly when you consider that the likes of just Airtours (sorry - Mytravel) and Britannia alone shift tens of millions of punters per annum, let alone adding the other carriers such as Air 2000, JMC et al to the equation - and that's just the U.K. charter market.
Regrettably these stories are given front page coverage by sensationalist tabloid media hacks. For Christ's sake, the BBC have just reported it ahead of the the Pope's latest escapades.
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I agree some of Mr Pong's comments were uncalled for, however, banning alcohol on aircraft because excesses of the few does smack of the politically correct madness of the Rev. Blair.
These days people aren't blamed for their own actions enough. The knee-jerk reaction is to blame either society in general, or particular organisations or products - such as airlines or alcoholic drinks.
Let's persecute the people how perpetrate criminal acts, not everyone else.
These days people aren't blamed for their own actions enough. The knee-jerk reaction is to blame either society in general, or particular organisations or products - such as airlines or alcoholic drinks.
Let's persecute the people how perpetrate criminal acts, not everyone else.
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A 'bull queen' is a lovely type of man who *forcefully* prays on other men - usually in the showers whilst recovering a dropped bar of soap or some such. Have you seen 'The Shawshank Redemption'? If you have, then you'll know what I mean
Suffice to say you would not want to be locked in the same cell as them for a minute, let alone 20 years!
And, before the comments start, I'm not speaking from personal experience
However, 'Victor Mardell, 57, from London' might be able to fill in some of the details shortly.
A 'bull queen' is a lovely type of man who *forcefully* prays on other men - usually in the showers whilst recovering a dropped bar of soap or some such. Have you seen 'The Shawshank Redemption'? If you have, then you'll know what I mean
Suffice to say you would not want to be locked in the same cell as them for a minute, let alone 20 years!
And, before the comments start, I'm not speaking from personal experience
However, 'Victor Mardell, 57, from London' might be able to fill in some of the details shortly.
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Y'all missed the "r"
The original article said he "bRought" -not he "bought" - two bottles of booze onboard.
So the issue is whether or not you should be allowed to carry-on a trunk full of intoxicants. Dutyfree in the terminal is designed to provide a cheap and efficent way of doing exactly that. Perhaps duty free booze should be kept in the hold until the end of the flight, when it can be claimed on arrival.
Just like that idiot will be "claimed" on arrival in a Florida jail.
So the issue is whether or not you should be allowed to carry-on a trunk full of intoxicants. Dutyfree in the terminal is designed to provide a cheap and efficent way of doing exactly that. Perhaps duty free booze should be kept in the hold until the end of the flight, when it can be claimed on arrival.
Just like that idiot will be "claimed" on arrival in a Florida jail.
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Methinks it's a function of the SLF involved...
The charter market is a different kettle of fish to scheduled.
You should see the condition of the cabin on arrival on some charter airlines...
I'm not being snobby.
Ok maybe I am, but it is not the first time that Air two bob have had these type of problems on the florida routes, remember the "travelling people" that ran amok a couple of years ago..
The charter market is a different kettle of fish to scheduled.
You should see the condition of the cabin on arrival on some charter airlines...
I'm not being snobby.
Ok maybe I am, but it is not the first time that Air two bob have had these type of problems on the florida routes, remember the "travelling people" that ran amok a couple of years ago..
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Yeah sure, and it's not confined to Air Two Bob. I'm sure if we could be bothered to look hard enough we could find plenty of other examples of such occurrences with other airlines, it's just not every story gets reported in the media (and Ananova's reporting of stated that the guy attacked two US FAs - no mention of Air Two Bob).
Let's carry on bashing the cheap and charter airlines, shall we?
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Let's carry on bashing the cheap and charter airlines, shall we?
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Plastique w.r.t. You should see the condition of the cabin on arrival on some charter airlines..... by that one assumes that you mean that it's often a lot cleaner and tidy than the same cabin as left behind by those who fly 'scheduled' - and please note that I personally have flown-in and operated-upon both - and (imho) it's more likely to be the folks in 'Business & 1st' that think ( through the purchase of their ticket ) that they somehow then 'own' a good portion of the aircraft ( and can therefore do as they like ).
Accordingly, next time you disembark, I'd suggest that you take a good look through those cabin sections to see just what state your beloved 'snobby' pax can leave the cabin !
Uhm, now just how many w's are there in anker ?
Accordingly, next time you disembark, I'd suggest that you take a good look through those cabin sections to see just what state your beloved 'snobby' pax can leave the cabin !
Uhm, now just how many w's are there in anker ?
I used to fly LH to FRA from LHR reasonably often - but in 'paid for my own ticket' class, not Business. We all had to board and leave the ac by the front passenger door jetway access; when leaving the ac, it was Business first, we the Untermensch last. The state of the business cabin was utter squalor; newspapers everywhere along with food and drink debris. What a bunch of pigs - and squeezing past their beloved wheelie-bin suitcases which were their so-called 'hand baggage' was also an utter pain when boarding.
Yet another reason to go to a low-cost alternative!! So I have; buzz is always clean, STN beats the pants off LHR T2 - and there are no overweight sweaty business oafs to have to put up with!
Yet another reason to go to a low-cost alternative!! So I have; buzz is always clean, STN beats the pants off LHR T2 - and there are no overweight sweaty business oafs to have to put up with!
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Some green eye of the little yellow god on show there
BEagle methinks'...
Buzz is always clean because they don't actually have any
significant in-flight service that I've noticed.
Chasing the topic, proportionate response and punishment
to fit the crime would be nice to see.
-- Andrew
BEagle methinks'...
Buzz is always clean because they don't actually have any
significant in-flight service that I've noticed.
Chasing the topic, proportionate response and punishment
to fit the crime would be nice to see.
-- Andrew
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Anybody ever travel Saudia LHR to Riyadh? Had to be careful you did not break a leg tripping over bottles rolling in the aisle when you deplaned. I learned most of the Glasswegian I know on those flights.
It is not just the charters that have the problem and it is not a new problem. We are just more aware of it now.
It is not just the charters that have the problem and it is not a new problem. We are just more aware of it now.
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Looks like a megga envy / chip on the shoulder problem Beagle. My experience suggests that business / first class is the only way to travel. We have to clean the cabin on charter flights with a shovel.
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I don't think judges in Ireland have got the message yet on air rage deterrence, some Yank got a wrist slap after an SNN div, case came up a couple of weeks ago.
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Ref PATPONG comment; cabin crew not under obligation to police amount of goods purchased; they can give advice but the onus is on paxx to declare goods in excess of that permited by customs rules - cabin crew are not to know at the end of the day whetehr pax will declare (or not) excess
Exception until abolition of d-f in EU was that you could only sell legal limit to pax on each sector - this was Vendor Control
Exception until abolition of d-f in EU was that you could only sell legal limit to pax on each sector - this was Vendor Control