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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 05:32
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Impact of different cabin baggage weight allowance.

On another forum, a question has been raised about the cost saving, in fuel terms, that can be made by reducing the cabin baggage allowance from 10kg to 5kg per passenger. The aircraft in question is a 787 flying from the UK to the Caribbean.
My back of an envelope calculation was that if everyone of the 330 or so pax carried a 10kg carry on bag, rather than 5kg, the extra weight would be 1750kg. Do the flight crew take cabin luggage weight allowance into account when calculating fuel burn, and would there be any significant cost saving with the lower 5 kg per person allowance?

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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 06:48
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But then the hold weight would rise by the sam amount surely, as pax would still need to take their "stuff".Indeed `i suspect the weight would probably rise further - I know I take more when travelling with a case in the hold.
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 08:34
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But then the hold weight would rise by the sam amount surely, as pax would still need to take their "stuff".Indeed `i suspect the weight would probably rise further - I know I take more when travelling with a case in the hold.
Not neccessarily, as I suspect the majority of pax would probably already be close to the maximum weight limit of 20kg..
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 08:54
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My back of an envelope calculation was that if everyone of the 330 or so pax carried a 10kg carry on bag, rather than 5kg, the extra weight would be 1750kg.
I think you might need new batteries in your envelope.
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 09:23
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But some who used to travel with hand baggage only will now take a bag and the will fill it.
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 10:47
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On long haul people normally carry a fair amount anyway - they'll try and get as much as possible in the cabin but if they can't it'll go in the hold.

You might have an effect on SH Business flights but these days every flight is full of people carrying big cases it seems - so no saving

I once traveled to Schipol carrying just a newspaper and the hassle was ENORMOUS..................... everyone assumed I had forgotten my case in the terminal somewhere, or was a terrorist or some sort of weirdo..........
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and when was the last time your carry on was weighed? a bigger issue is a aircraft with a male Rugby team on a trst tour against a hen party away day
What weights are used then?
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At Colorado Springs one day a few years back my case was overweight by about 5kg and I was quoted a vast sum if I didn't reduce it. I wore my coat instead of it being in my case and stuffed a few things in my pockets.

Job done.
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Once arrived at LHR with a bag of very heavy books - over 15kg The lady at SQ weighed my checked bag at 22kg and said with a smile "we'll let that go. Anything else?" "Just this small bag" says I lifting the books nonchalantly with one arm to shoulder height - "fine"

So I smiled, lowered the bag slowly and then wandered away behind the nearest pillar where I could wheeze, burst into sweat and go grey..............
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In all my years of flying I have had my cabin bag weighed less than half a dozen times. And in most of those cases it was by check-in staff under training. Of course, if an airline elected to charge for anything over 5 Kg they would have to enforce a gate weight check (for those who checked in on line). I also suspect that, in time, they would lose clients! But if it's just some odd airline flying leisure travelers to the Caribbean, they might get away with it. Nevertheless, I think the savings would be insignificant and probably not worth all the hassle.
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 15:45
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In all my years of flying I have had my cabin bag weighed less than half a dozen times. And in most of those cases it was by check-in staff under training. Of course, if an airline elected to charge for anything over 5 Kg they would have to enforce a gate weight check (for those who checked in on line). I also suspect that, in time, they would lose clients! But if it's just some odd airline flying leisure travelers to the Caribbean, they might get away with it. Nevertheless, I think the savings would be insignificant and probably not worth all the hassle.
So, are you basically saying that a 10kg or 5kg cabin baggage limit is irrelevant as far as the flight crew are concerned?
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 16:03
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So, are you basically saying that a 10kg or 5kg cabin baggage limit is irrelevant as far as the flight crew are concerned?
Er no, I don't know where you get that impression. I said that in context of the question in the OP regarding the potential of significant cost savings on fuel.
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
Once arrived at LHR with a bag of very heavy books - over 15kg The lady at SQ weighed my checked bag at 22kg and said with a smile "we'll let that go. Anything else?" "Just this small bag" says I lifting the books nonchalantly with one arm to shoulder height - "fine"

So I smiled, lowered the bag slowly and then wandered away behind the nearest pillar where I could wheeze, burst into sweat and go grey..............
That's my usual technique - heavy carry on, but appear to lift it easily and so no further questions until I was travelling with my wife. The check in asked if we had any carry on & before I could react she tried to lift it up & staggered under the 15ish kilo weight (I read lots of magazines). Needless to say it was weighed after that and we had a rapid repacking session..
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Ah yes, the casual hand case lift - well practised.

On one long haul trip, on checkin at SYD, we knew we would be over even the P.E. limit. We had placed all the cosmetics, shampoo and left over sunscreen in one bag in the main case. When the bag was TOO much over the limit, we opened the case and handed the agent the collection. She was delighted and tucked the goody bag under the counter and waved through the rest of our over weight cases.
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Earlier this year I flew Business Dublin Miami with Aer Lingus - I think the baggage limit was 69 kg......... more than the wife weighs for sure...............
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About 20 years back, I was booked on an EZY back from AMS to EDI that got canned after handing in hold bag at check in & getting airside. Getting to the gate for the replacement service, my backpack was picked out for weighing - WELL over 10kg. "This will have to go in the hold sir." Cue long discussion that I actually had 2 seats booked on the cancelled flight one for me, one for the backpack.

This was to make sure the sensitive electronics, test data and my laptop didn't leave my sight [closest I've ever been to the diplomatic courier with the handcuff to the briefcase...] It was also arranged directly with EZY's head office. Very officious gate agent would not allow the backpack on with me as-was. It HAD to go in the hold, so I very slowly & deliberately unpacked everything that couldn't go in the hold & handed it over, almost empty & it was duly tagged & put in the hold.

The cabin director / purser then chose that moment to appear & took one look at the stack of stuff I'd piled on the desk & bless her cotton socks asked how I'd managed to get it to the desk without a bag. During my explanation, the words "by special arrangement with your head office" slipped out at which point she lifted the phone, dialled an international number & quoted my booking reference at which point everyone became supremely helpful.

Didn't get my backpack returned (until Edinburgh - it wasn't confiscated ), but did get a 100 euro voucher to get a replacement bag from the Schipol shopping centre. It's a very nice, bag, and probably weighed in at three times what my unintended hold luggage weighed.

Back to gate, no issues, no comments, waltzed on to aircraft and was fed some very choice miniatures all the way back to Sconnie Botland to be reunited with both parts of my hold baggage.

Absolutely mad, jobsworth application of a cabin baggage weight policy - not complaining was nearly poured off the plane on arrival and I still have a very fine heavy duty week-away sized holdall that's been through the baggage handling systems of most of the major airports in Europe with barely a mark.
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Thank you Donkey497 That is one of the finest stories we've had in the cabin!!
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Trouble is that in the race to the bottom people pay peanuts and won't even pay to train those people properly. The cannon fodder are taught a few simple rules and warned if they don't apply them rigorously to EVERYONE then it's back on the street for you. Thus Donkey's experience and that of most people at security
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Humans have collectively decided that money is more important.
Until they decide that service is more important.
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