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Old 24th Nov 2019, 11:30
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But not able to use before the outbound departure
Not true actually, it is quite legal to use discretion at any point after reporting for duty. You might very well decline to do so (as I have a few times) but there is nothing in the regulations that says you can't do it.

The problem with discretion is that it is supposed to be for unforeseen circumstances that occur on the day, my view is that if you roster a crew to within a few minutes of max FDP then it is not exactly unforeseen that you are going to run out of time. I have seen duties that involved 4 sectors in and out of a busy airfield rostered to within 10 mins of max FDP, is it any surprise that the crew run out of hours? Not in my opinion and I declined to take the crew into discretion on that basis.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 04:55
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Originally Posted by Max Angle View Post
Not true actually, it is quite legal to use discretion at any point after reporting for duty. You might very well decline to do so (as I have a few times) but there is nothing in the regulations that says you can't do it.

The problem with discretion is that it is supposed to be for unforeseen circumstances that occur on the day, my view is that if you roster a crew to within a few minutes of max FDP then it is not exactly unforeseen that you are going to run out of time. I have seen duties that involved 4 sectors in and out of a busy airfield rostered to within 10 mins of max FDP, is it any surprise that the crew run out of hours? Not in my opinion and I declined to take the crew into discretion on that basis.
You and I might be from different sides of the fence, you the Captain and myself the ex Operations Controller/Crewing Manager, but this is something that we agree upon, what might look good on paper isn't so likely to work in the real world.

As I posated previously I had such a 10 minutes between success and failure during a contract I worked with BAe Systems, in this day and age it is regularly a beancounter involvement problem, at BAe it was an unwilliness to listen problem, their loss because rather than listen to me they lost the contract.
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