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Cabinkitten, you left out "d": bekos the persin chekin yor pas is lernin to reed 
Seriously, I have never boarded an aircraft yet without my boarding pass being checked at the aircraft door, but there again the vast majority of my flights have been with BA of QF. I have no problem with ANY security checks which I may have to go through, I want to arrive at my planned destination in one piece.
Seriously, I have never boarded an aircraft yet without my boarding pass being checked at the aircraft door, but there again the vast majority of my flights have been with BA of QF. I have no problem with ANY security checks which I may have to go through, I want to arrive at my planned destination in one piece.
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No head count. Now that is surprising . May I suggest you start at once.
'Interloper' cannot be 'on the plane' as the a/c is checked before boarding. Well yes, this was a follow-up to someone surmising about unauthorised bods roaming the ramp. Joining the pax queue or breaching the jetway (as the case may be).
Boarding staff issue b/cards. Only pax with b/cards board a/c. Only pax with BPs are allowed to exit the gate. The second part does not necessarily follow (see above).
Works pretty well. That do then ?
. May I suggest you start at once.'Interloper' cannot be 'on the plane' as the a/c is checked before boarding. Well yes, this was a follow-up to someone surmising about unauthorised bods roaming the ramp. Joining the pax queue or breaching the jetway (as the case may be).
Boarding staff issue b/cards. Only pax with b/cards board a/c. Only pax with BPs are allowed to exit the gate. The second part does not necessarily follow (see above).
Works pretty well. That do then ?
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Whatever needs to be done in the way of security is fine with me. From a passengers' point of view what really gets irritating is inconsistancy when you are told that one company does one thing and it is a CAA regulation when another company who must be bound by the same regulations clearly does something completely different.
Setting aside all the sarcasm about why crew might check passes, look at it from the point of view of someone who flies out of LHR at least once every week with a range of carriers including bmi but not BA.
I've never had my boarding pass checked on boarding the plane and at that point have usually put it in my wallet in case my FF miles do not get credited. On a given day, I fly BA and am asked for the pass, I'm surprised and ask why and am told its a CAA regulation, I ask if it's new and am told no. On the basis of my experience, am I likely to believe the CC member who is only doing their job? Almost certainly not as why would so many other companies, including bmi be flouting it. The result it an irritated passenger who thinks the CC are a pain on this flight and a CC member who thinks the same of the passenger. Doesn't antagonism rise easily!
Setting aside all the sarcasm about why crew might check passes, look at it from the point of view of someone who flies out of LHR at least once every week with a range of carriers including bmi but not BA.
I've never had my boarding pass checked on boarding the plane and at that point have usually put it in my wallet in case my FF miles do not get credited. On a given day, I fly BA and am asked for the pass, I'm surprised and ask why and am told its a CAA regulation, I ask if it's new and am told no. On the basis of my experience, am I likely to believe the CC member who is only doing their job? Almost certainly not as why would so many other companies, including bmi be flouting it. The result it an irritated passenger who thinks the CC are a pain on this flight and a CC member who thinks the same of the passenger. Doesn't antagonism rise easily!
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Paper Tiger - I'm not going to drag this out. Please air your obvious concerns with the DTR who have approved the process, or the CAA who have approved the AOC.
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please note I also fly out of LHR (a lot) and
there are other airlines that do check. I will not state which,
since it is in fact a security hole to post it here which they are, as it is valuable information to those who would abuse it.
I would ask people to refrain from posting airline names that comply with this. Sorry if it looks like overkill.
there are other airlines that do check. I will not state which,
since it is in fact a security hole to post it here which they are, as it is valuable information to those who would abuse it.
I would ask people to refrain from posting airline names that comply with this. Sorry if it looks like overkill.
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How does this work with easyJet's reusable boarding cards then?
BA is the only airline that routinely checks my boarding card on board too. Thanks for the explanation as to why this is.
WT
BA is the only airline that routinely checks my boarding card on board too. Thanks for the explanation as to why this is.
WT
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With easy you'll find that the ground crew have a print out of the pax onboard the flight. Against your name is the corresponding number of your boarding card. On international flights they also check your passport against the name as well!
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Well so much for the welcome onboard you wonderful customer. Your seat is that way. I hope you enjoy your flight with us, be totally satisfied of your expectations and your baggage hasn't gone to Bombay when you arrive. type stuff.
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Well I should say checking the seat no has its uses.
Last week I was taking a A320 on Indian Airlines from
Trivandrum. Was bussed to the aircraft. Although most of the pax
were boarding through the front steps, there was one groundstaff at the rear steps and I boarded through it.
Right decision, since my seat was at the very last row!
Now if only those guys manning the front could have checked
the SEAT NO as well and directed these people in the rear of the cabin to the other entrance, the boarding could have been faster!
RSO
Last week I was taking a A320 on Indian Airlines from
Trivandrum. Was bussed to the aircraft. Although most of the pax
were boarding through the front steps, there was one groundstaff at the rear steps and I boarded through it.
Right decision, since my seat was at the very last row!
Now if only those guys manning the front could have checked
the SEAT NO as well and directed these people in the rear of the cabin to the other entrance, the boarding could have been faster!
RSO
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twin aisles
I have flown four sectors recently with BA on 747-400 and 777, each time my card was checked *and* I was given directions to my seat [as I prefer window I had a K seat each time and thus was invited to cross to the far aisle]
It was handy the first time so I say don't knock it!
On single aisle aircraft with Aer Lingus, they rarely glance at it beyond a cursory check you have one, once in a while they will indicate what side of the aircraft.
It was handy the first time so I say don't knock it!
On single aisle aircraft with Aer Lingus, they rarely glance at it beyond a cursory check you have one, once in a while they will indicate what side of the aircraft.
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Boarding Passes
I think this is a BA procedure only. Unless all other carriers are just breaking the law but I doubt.
I anyway believe it is important to check boarding passes just before boarding the A/C.
This specific part is the one that is open to different interpretations: BA has adopted the strictest view.
To check b/passes just before the Loading bridge or immediately before stepping on the aircraft it is a choice of each carrier, this is open to all interpretations but BA is free to recheck again and again if needed.
This does not mean that checking only in the lounge just before boarding is not as secure as the BA procedure. It is only that the BA interpretation of this CAA rule is that the b/passes must be checked again on the A/C door.
Please advise if this is wrong.
I anyway believe it is important to check boarding passes just before boarding the A/C.
This specific part is the one that is open to different interpretations: BA has adopted the strictest view.
To check b/passes just before the Loading bridge or immediately before stepping on the aircraft it is a choice of each carrier, this is open to all interpretations but BA is free to recheck again and again if needed.
This does not mean that checking only in the lounge just before boarding is not as secure as the BA procedure. It is only that the BA interpretation of this CAA rule is that the b/passes must be checked again on the A/C door.
Please advise if this is wrong.
It doesn't bother me if crew want to see my BP on entering the a/c. However, I fly with many different airlines and certainly on EUROPEAN sectors only BA adopt this procedure. Whether it is an effective last chance security measure is doubtful. The 11/9 terrorists were after all full fare paying pax.
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BA staff seem to claim that lots of things are the law when in fact it is only them that do it. I don't understand why BA staff think they know better than FF pax what other airlines do.
Qantas staff have very similar attitudes. I had a ludicrous situation at check-in in Sydney the other day where the woman insisted that I extract may laptop from my roll-on bag, and then shuffle items backwards and forwards between the laptop bag and the rollon until the rollon was less than 7kg. It didn't seem to matter what weight the laptop bag was. Of course, as soon as I walked away from checkin I just put the laptop back in the rollon and everything was fine.
When I pointed out to the woman that enlightened airlines like CX don't mess customers around like this she tried to insist that this made CX an unsafe airline. Of course, in the real world what it does is make CX a very profitable airline and Qantas a bit of a joke, protected only by monopoly and government regulations.
This was all at a First Class checkin desk as well, where it took the first couple of minutes to get her to recognise a OneWorld Emerald card.
To be fair to Qantas, the man looking after the First Class Qantas Club had the decency to allow me to bring in three guests since the lounge wasn't busy and two of them were about to suffer their third consecutive overnight flight in coach. This was much appreciated.
Qantas staff have very similar attitudes. I had a ludicrous situation at check-in in Sydney the other day where the woman insisted that I extract may laptop from my roll-on bag, and then shuffle items backwards and forwards between the laptop bag and the rollon until the rollon was less than 7kg. It didn't seem to matter what weight the laptop bag was. Of course, as soon as I walked away from checkin I just put the laptop back in the rollon and everything was fine.
When I pointed out to the woman that enlightened airlines like CX don't mess customers around like this she tried to insist that this made CX an unsafe airline. Of course, in the real world what it does is make CX a very profitable airline and Qantas a bit of a joke, protected only by monopoly and government regulations.
This was all at a First Class checkin desk as well, where it took the first couple of minutes to get her to recognise a OneWorld Emerald card.
To be fair to Qantas, the man looking after the First Class Qantas Club had the decency to allow me to bring in three guests since the lounge wasn't busy and two of them were about to suffer their third consecutive overnight flight in coach. This was much appreciated.
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At the moment BA sends out many missives on a variety of subjects. This particular one did inform us that it was a CAA requirement and that we must do it. Since I can't be @rsed to double check with the CAA on everything BA tells me I take that as fact. Just because you travel on other airlines doesn't make you more or less knowledgeable than the next person but rest assured while they ask me to do it and pay my wages I'll continue to check boarding cards at the door to ensure they keep paying my wages.
At the moment BA sends out many missives on a variety of subjects. This particular one did inform us that it was a CAA requirement and that we must do it. Since I can't be @rsed to double check with the CAA on everything BA tells me I take that as fact. Just because you travel on other airlines doesn't make you more or less knowledgeable than the next person but rest assured while they ask me to do it and pay my wages I'll continue to check boarding cards at the door to ensure they keep paying my wages.
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BA has a company policy (on the insistence of CAA and DETR) to check boarding cards (and passports or National ID cards on International Flights) on entry or exit to the Gate Lounge. The purpose of this is to verify the right of the passenger to travel and ensure the passenger's identity matches that of the passport/ID card (photo and name).
The Boarding Pass or stub must be retained by the Gate Staff if a passenger leaves the Gate Lounge prior to boarding.
The Boarding Pass or stub must then be checked again by the cabin crew at the aircraft entrance to ensure the passenger is on the right flight on the right date. In the event the passenger loses the Boarding Pass stub, the Gate Team must provide a computer printout of the Passenger's Checked In Record or must accompany the passenger to the aircraft to verify his/her entitlement to travel.
Since the tragedy of 09/11, I can assure you that this has been painstaikingly carried out at LGW - after all, our Cabin Crew have a vested interest in your, and their, personal safety!!!
Unlike Buses or Trains, any airline is responsible for ensuring it keeps a full record of all the passengers and crew who travelled on a particular flight. This is the main reason behind the final check and, incidentally, the main reason why, when your flight is delayed by 2 hours and another one is leaving for the same destination imminently, we can't let you cross the aircraft threshold.
Incidentally, no onme has yet mentioned "Jar-Ops" (Joint Aviation Review Operations Procedures) under which ALL airlines are supposed to be adopting similar operational procedures. I would suggest, therefore, that if other airlines are NOT adopting these procedures, they are able to offer cheaper fares and are, therefore, in unfairly trading in breach of competition regulations!
Something else for Rod E. to address perhaps!
The Boarding Pass or stub must be retained by the Gate Staff if a passenger leaves the Gate Lounge prior to boarding.
The Boarding Pass or stub must then be checked again by the cabin crew at the aircraft entrance to ensure the passenger is on the right flight on the right date. In the event the passenger loses the Boarding Pass stub, the Gate Team must provide a computer printout of the Passenger's Checked In Record or must accompany the passenger to the aircraft to verify his/her entitlement to travel.
Since the tragedy of 09/11, I can assure you that this has been painstaikingly carried out at LGW - after all, our Cabin Crew have a vested interest in your, and their, personal safety!!!
Unlike Buses or Trains, any airline is responsible for ensuring it keeps a full record of all the passengers and crew who travelled on a particular flight. This is the main reason behind the final check and, incidentally, the main reason why, when your flight is delayed by 2 hours and another one is leaving for the same destination imminently, we can't let you cross the aircraft threshold.
Incidentally, no onme has yet mentioned "Jar-Ops" (Joint Aviation Review Operations Procedures) under which ALL airlines are supposed to be adopting similar operational procedures. I would suggest, therefore, that if other airlines are NOT adopting these procedures, they are able to offer cheaper fares and are, therefore, in unfairly trading in breach of competition regulations!
Something else for Rod E. to address perhaps!
Last edited by bealine; 22nd Aug 2002 at 19:46.
