Air Rage Incidents increase on UK Airlines
Thread Starter
Joined: Jan 2009
Aviation Qualifications: SLF
Posts: 291
Likes: 128
From: Oxon
Air Rage Incidents increase on UK Airlines
Air rage incidents soar on UK flights - BBC News
The number of "air rage" incidents on UK airlines has quadrupled over a three-year period, according to figures seen by the BBC. Civil Aviation Authority data shows there were 386 dangerous incidents in 2015 - compared with just 85 in 2013.
The head of a leading budget airline has suggested people who cause trouble could be banned by all operators.
The number of "air rage" incidents on UK airlines has quadrupled over a three-year period, according to figures seen by the BBC. Civil Aviation Authority data shows there were 386 dangerous incidents in 2015 - compared with just 85 in 2013.
The head of a leading budget airline has suggested people who cause trouble could be banned by all operators.
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 2,847
Likes: 0
From: Confoederatio Helvetica
A blanket ban, particularly a 'life-time' ban, should only be imposed by the courts.
A life-time ban is completely inappropriate. No other crime has that penalty.
If they really want to address this issue they should be asking themselves why passengers 'pre-load' with alcohol and try and address that. Banning them after the fact is no deterrent .
Amend their conditions of carriage to provide that they will not board any passenger who blows above a certain breathalyser level. And then do random checks, with emphasis on problem flights. Off load a few pax, immediate media storm, free publicity. But enforcement of their rules must be seen to be effective.
A life-time ban is completely inappropriate. No other crime has that penalty.
If they really want to address this issue they should be asking themselves why passengers 'pre-load' with alcohol and try and address that. Banning them after the fact is no deterrent .
Amend their conditions of carriage to provide that they will not board any passenger who blows above a certain breathalyser level. And then do random checks, with emphasis on problem flights. Off load a few pax, immediate media storm, free publicity. But enforcement of their rules must be seen to be effective.
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
From: Soon to be out of the EU.
Passengers pre load because they want to get drunk and have a good time. That's the only reason. It's not the reasonable onboard prices that the catering companies charge which are in line with city centre pubs for all things except the tins of beer. It's more than likely people will buy whatever the prices. Watch a trolley on a holiday flight and you'll notice how slowly it moves - there's absolutely no problem selling the stuff. Pricing is not an issue. Check out onboard brochures and you'll see prices creep up with every new issue. The fact that they know the crew can control them is a strong reason.
Take a look at the full service airlines with 'free' bars you'll see that they do have their fair share of problems.
A lifetime ban is appropriate. If you've shown that you can't behave yourself once onboard an aircraft then there's a very good risk that you could do it again.
Take a look at the full service airlines with 'free' bars you'll see that they do have their fair share of problems.
A lifetime ban is appropriate. If you've shown that you can't behave yourself once onboard an aircraft then there's a very good risk that you could do it again.
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 2,847
Likes: 0
From: Confoederatio Helvetica
Who said anything about the excessive prices? And the VAT rip-off on ex-EU flights?
I think there is more to it, and you are not going to stop it by closing the bars in the mornings. It does need looking into as if you want to change behaviour, you have to understand it.
Oh, and how many repeat offenders are you aware of? I can't ever recall seeing a news report that suggested the offender had done it before. I'm not saying they should get off scot-free, but are we really worried about a 60 year old who offended 30 years ago?
I think there is more to it, and you are not going to stop it by closing the bars in the mornings. It does need looking into as if you want to change behaviour, you have to understand it.
Oh, and how many repeat offenders are you aware of? I can't ever recall seeing a news report that suggested the offender had done it before. I'm not saying they should get off scot-free, but are we really worried about a 60 year old who offended 30 years ago?
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 822
Likes: 0
From: Hampshire
To give some sort of perspective, the worldwide figure had risen to over 10,000 over the same period. And 25% of reported incidents are laid at the door of alcohol or drugs. So, 75% are not alcohol or drugs related. So what is the real cause?
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 317
Likes: 0
From: Here
The rise of the 'me first culture' must rank in there somewhere I would think.
Joined: Jun 1999
Posts: 3,423
Likes: 1
From: world
The main problem is that a certain minority of British society cannot drink in moderation. In their pathetic little world it is deemed uncool not to get totally slammed and make complete ar$es of themselves.
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 499
Likes: 7
From: Back on The Island.
Fully agree with HT... with daily, almost, newspaper reports from Spain about UK youth getting pi$$ed and rolling around half undressed and then the drunken hen/stag parties in Europe from The Island, it makes One ashamed to be British. I've seen it here in nearby York, half dressed 'girls' dragging inflatable dolls around the streets, shouting and singing, quite honestly, it's disgusting. I know I'm an old plonker but the world has gone to the dogs, it's the yoof from the 80's and 90's without a proper education and upbringing who are to blame... HARRUMPH.
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
From: Soon to be out of the EU.
ExXB - 03/08/16 you said:
"... And the price of a 330 ml tin of beer onboard? £4! That's £6.88 a pint. (4/330*568.2612) and applies regardless if the airline has paid excise taxes or VAT.
No wonder people buy the 'cheaper' airport beers, or drink their duty free.
Sobering ..."
Again, the airlines don't charge the prices and are not responsible for the VAT or excise duty, it's the catering companies, a fact that you continually ignore to your convenience.
I don't think bars should be closed. In fact they should be open at any time the airport is open. However some responsibility must be taken by the airports. If you've done worked for the airlines you'll know the point of an airport is to squeeze as much money out of the punters as possible, then get them onboard shut the doors and let someone else take care of the problem.
Look at most Uk airports where miniatures are placed on podiums through the main walkway. They are inescapable and are clearly there to promote people to buy and drink onboard. He ground staff are also very careful as to their wording for example: "you can take the drinks onboard", conveniently missing the important part which is that you can't drink them onboard.
"... And the price of a 330 ml tin of beer onboard? £4! That's £6.88 a pint. (4/330*568.2612) and applies regardless if the airline has paid excise taxes or VAT.
No wonder people buy the 'cheaper' airport beers, or drink their duty free.
Sobering ..."
Again, the airlines don't charge the prices and are not responsible for the VAT or excise duty, it's the catering companies, a fact that you continually ignore to your convenience.
I don't think bars should be closed. In fact they should be open at any time the airport is open. However some responsibility must be taken by the airports. If you've done worked for the airlines you'll know the point of an airport is to squeeze as much money out of the punters as possible, then get them onboard shut the doors and let someone else take care of the problem.
Look at most Uk airports where miniatures are placed on podiums through the main walkway. They are inescapable and are clearly there to promote people to buy and drink onboard. He ground staff are also very careful as to their wording for example: "you can take the drinks onboard", conveniently missing the important part which is that you can't drink them onboard.
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,694
Likes: 15
From: Wellington,NZ
Lantern10 has it.
Air travel is a microcosm of society. The pressures of overpopulation are starting to have a noticeable effect in many societies, and the crowded interior of an aircraft represents as overpopulated a space as you could get.
Less room= more stress, and also equals larger numbers of people at the extreme ends of the old bell curve are likely to be nearby,
There's a fair bit of "ground rage'' at large in the world, too. Seems to be increasing. And some of it is hideously extreme.
Air travel is a microcosm of society. The pressures of overpopulation are starting to have a noticeable effect in many societies, and the crowded interior of an aircraft represents as overpopulated a space as you could get.
Less room= more stress, and also equals larger numbers of people at the extreme ends of the old bell curve are likely to be nearby,
There's a fair bit of "ground rage'' at large in the world, too. Seems to be increasing. And some of it is hideously extreme.
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 2,847
Likes: 0
From: Confoederatio Helvetica
HM, yes I know you are an easyJet employee, and yes I know I'm not being ripped off by easyJet when I'm charged the equivalent of £6.88 a pint on a flight where sales are duty and VAT exempt. Exactly the same amount as I would be charged on an intra-EU flight.
Apparently it's the catering company that's ripping me off. Well, that's OK then.
Just curious though but how much of that £6.88 goes to the cabin crew as commission? I expect it's a lot more than I'd tip in a pub. You don't have to answer, it's a rhetorical question.
I apologise to other PPRuNers for going off topic on this thread, but I was dragged screaming and kicking.
Apparently it's the catering company that's ripping me off. Well, that's OK then.
Just curious though but how much of that £6.88 goes to the cabin crew as commission? I expect it's a lot more than I'd tip in a pub. You don't have to answer, it's a rhetorical question.
I apologise to other PPRuNers for going off topic on this thread, but I was dragged screaming and kicking.
Paxing All Over The World
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 10,842
Likes: 328
From: Hertfordshire, UK.
Aeroflot Asks Putin for Stricter Punishments for Problem Passengers
https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/...ssengers-53342
http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2016/10/3/7042/?h
https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/...ssengers-53342
http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2016/10/3/7042/?h
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
From: Moscow
Aeroflot Asks Putin for Stricter Punishments for Problem Passengers
https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/...ssengers-53342
http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2016/10/3/7042/?h
https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/...ssengers-53342
http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2016/10/3/7042/?h
