Ryanair checkin - ID to be renewed during trip
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Ryanair checkin - ID to be renewed during trip
We're off to Spain with Ryanair next month. Mrs 25F, who is herself Spanish, travels on a Spanish national ID card. This is due to expire while we are there. Of itself, no problem, she pops in to the nearest Policia Nacional and gets issued a new one.
Obviously we can't check in for the return flight until we have the new ID card. But is there likely to be any problem checking in for the outbound flight with an ID card that expires before the return?
Obviously we can't check in for the return flight until we have the new ID card. But is there likely to be any problem checking in for the outbound flight with an ID card that expires before the return?
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Although the technically correct answer as per Alsacienne ... call the airline....
My two cents worth would be ... the airline only cares about the current sector you're turning up to fly on, plus you're talking about an EU citizen flying between EU countries, so nobody's likely to care much about your return arrangements or dates on your ID expiring before your return.
My two cents worth would be ... the airline only cares about the current sector you're turning up to fly on, plus you're talking about an EU citizen flying between EU countries, so nobody's likely to care much about your return arrangements or dates on your ID expiring before your return.
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As long as she has valid ID to enter Spain then FR won't stop you. Just don't check in for the return flight until she has the new ID. The FR site will give you the choice to check in only for one sector. You have anything from 7 days to 3 hours before the flight to do so anyway, so there is no rush.
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@Alsacienne: don't be silly, it'd cost 25 quid in call charges to get through to somebody who wouldn't know the answer anyway. Or hours of frustration dealing with template-based emails that would simply refer me back to the website.
@edi_local: thanks, I would hope that the system is sane.
@edi_local: thanks, I would hope that the system is sane.
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It's not Ryanair that needs this. It is Advance Passenger Information or API. Both Spain and the UK require this for Air Passengers. The govts need this before the flight departs. I'm not sure when FR actually transmits it, but I'd imagine it would be fairly close to the deadline.
@Alsacienne: don't be silly
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You could book your return flight separately.
But I have just had a look and the booking form does not ask for your ID details.
So, as someone said, just check in for the outward flight.
Let's hope it's that simple to get a new ID card in Spain
(I don't think it is that simple for French citizens who are resident in Britain)
But I have just had a look and the booking form does not ask for your ID details.
So, as someone said, just check in for the outward flight.
Let's hope it's that simple to get a new ID card in Spain
(I don't think it is that simple for French citizens who are resident in Britain)
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You'll be fine. It is the responsibility of the ground handling agent to check that your ID is valid for entry into the country you are travelling to on the date of your outbound journey, and this is the same for the return journey.
We're off to Spain with Ryanair next month. Mrs 25F, who is herself Spanish, travels on a Spanish national ID card. This is due to expire while we are there. But is there likely to be any problem checking in for the outbound flight with an ID card that expires before the return?
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EZY wouldn't accept my mothers passport under those circumstances. We were bound for Poland.
I think they might accept it for a domestic trip...but not when immigration is involved.
Caveat......I haven't had cause to check it recently......just my experience.
I think they might accept it for a domestic trip...but not when immigration is involved.
Caveat......I haven't had cause to check it recently......just my experience.
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Why not renew her Passport at the same time? Mrs. S37 has managed to renew hers in a day when necessary in the past, including once at the Spanish embassy in Copenhagen.
@farci: passport expired years ago...
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@Shack37: we don't see the need. All our travel is within Europe. The little 25Fs used to have Spanish passports but now travel on Spanish ID cards. When they expire we may have to get them UK passports.
I think people get too carried away with concerns about precision for such items. For example, any visas in passports will be in the language of the destination country, a language that may well not be spoken by the staff doing a quick check of documents. Not an issue.
Likewise with those with dual nationality, quite a number nowadays, they may need to use different passports in different directions when travelling between their two home countries because neither passport will have a visa for the other country. Airline reservations have never caught up with this, it's one passport ID per overall reservation. Yet such travellers are fine.
Likewise with those with dual nationality, quite a number nowadays, they may need to use different passports in different directions when travelling between their two home countries because neither passport will have a visa for the other country. Airline reservations have never caught up with this, it's one passport ID per overall reservation. Yet such travellers are fine.
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WHBM the amount of fines imposed on airlines for bringing in 'unadmissable' passengers can be (very) significant. The airlines ensure that staff controlling documents are knowledgeable of the documents required.
I am fairly certain that the OP is referring to the APIS data required to be sent by the airline electronically to the destination country. In some cases countries that will be overflown (ie the US) will require it as well. Most, if not all, will not allow the passenger to check-in or receive a boarding card without it. APIS is not required by all countries (ie Switzerland doesn't, yet). In theory the aircraft cannot depart if any boarded passenger's data has not been sent.
Some countries require 'electronic visas' Australia and US being the most common. A requirement in addition to the APIS data.
Then there is the document check at boarding, where the airline ensures that the passenger holds the correct documents to enter the destination country. I don't believe there is any cross-check with the APIS information, at least I've never seen it.
I am fairly certain that the OP is referring to the APIS data required to be sent by the airline electronically to the destination country. In some cases countries that will be overflown (ie the US) will require it as well. Most, if not all, will not allow the passenger to check-in or receive a boarding card without it. APIS is not required by all countries (ie Switzerland doesn't, yet). In theory the aircraft cannot depart if any boarded passenger's data has not been sent.
Some countries require 'electronic visas' Australia and US being the most common. A requirement in addition to the APIS data.
Then there is the document check at boarding, where the airline ensures that the passenger holds the correct documents to enter the destination country. I don't believe there is any cross-check with the APIS information, at least I've never seen it.
I am well aware of the process and what can be theoretically levied, and also the much smaller extent to which these are actually levied, all recognise that there are various ways in which the unadmissable passengers can stitch up both airline and immigration staff, a number are just turned around. Regarding staff controlling documents at boarding, you must recognise that a handling agent at an overseas point, their services bought from the company who was the lowest bidder, is unlikely to have the full understanding of what is permissible in each separate country served and what is not. On line check in has done no favours to this process, which is now often just down to the gate check. It has struck me as illogical that the only proper checks I experience with fully knowledgeable passport/visa staff are those BA does at Heathrow on OUTBOUND flights direct to countries where visas are needed for Brits, eg Russia, but not necessarily to elsewhere where they might still be required, eg for a Russian travelling to France.
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Oh dear. I've tried on Ryanair.com and it won't accept a date earlier than the return flight as a valid expiry date for the documentation. And if we can't get that in, I don't think we can check her in online. And if we can't do that, we have to pray it works at the airport (and pay the outrageous charge).