Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Misc. Forums > Passengers & SLF (Self Loading Freight)
Reload this Page >

Airline liability for runway closure.

Passengers & SLF (Self Loading Freight) If you are regularly a passenger on any airline then why not post your questions here?

Airline liability for runway closure.

Old 8th May 2014, 09:33
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Confoederatio Helvetica
Age: 67
Posts: 2,847
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Airline liability for runway closure.

Saw this today regarding BA's decision that it's LHR-OSL event wasn't 'extraordinary circumstances' (because the failure to latch shut the engine cowlings was human error).

I can see their thinking that their passengers who were delayed or had flights cancelled would fall under Regulation 261.

But what about passengers on other airlines who suffered similar delays or cancellations? If BA are liable, why wouldn't other airlines be equally liable (under the regulation).

And if other airlines are liable would they be able to seek redress from BA? The Regulation envisions this, but would the other airlines actually do it?

The law of unforeseen circumstances is revisiting Regulation 261! Again
ExXB is offline  
Old 9th May 2014, 12:50
  #2 (permalink)  
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Where its at
Age: 39
Posts: 228
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Hi EXxB. In law, human error and employer liability are not mutually exclusive. The concept of 'vicarious liability' means that an employer is liable for all of acts and omissions of their employees in the course of their employment.

BA's attempt to absolve itself of liability under Reg.261 is understandable, but was unlikely to ever succeed given the common law precedents. Such an argument also runs contrary to previous decisions by the European Court of Justice - I'm thinking specifically of Walletin Herman v Alitalia which contains an interesting discussion about the limits of the 'extraordinary circumstances' defence.

Your question is quite interesting. Where does liability end? Undoubtedly, those on the LHR-OSL flight fall within the ambit of Regulation 261. I suspect that anyone else who was flying BA (metal or ticket) that day would have a strong claim under Regulation 261 too, as the cause of the delay was within the control of BA. Passengers on third party airlines would have a much more difficult time of things as the cause of the delay is genuinely 'extraordinary', in the sense that the third party airline had no control over it. However, they would still have a duty of care to their passengers (food, drink, accommodation etc), the financial cost of which BA could be liable for.

In my opinion, the main problem is not with the extraordinary circumstances clause, but airlines making up their own arbitrary interpretations. In this incident, BA initially adopted an indefensible position. Last year, Monarch decided that it did not owe a duty of care to passengers delayed due to technical faults discovered mid flight, nor would it pay 261 compensation (despite the Regulation and the Alitalia case above clearly indicating that this position was unlawful). Regulation 261 is quite technical, but it is relatively clear in straightforward situations. Airlines often deny initial claims, but pay out if legal action is threatened as they do not want legal precedents to be set. This creates uncertainty, which is bad for all parties...
Anansis is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.