Do you care if I wear my jacket?
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Do you care if I wear my jacket?
Hey there B.A. passengers, this is a question for you.
You may or may not have noticed that the male crew during the flight for the service sometimes wear something called an "in-flight jacket" - it looks redish and is single breasted with one button.
Again you may or may not have seen this before as we are not keen on them as they are very hot to wear as we are running up and down the cabin and the cuffs regualarly get dunked in dinner as we give them out.
What i want to ask you is do you like them?, do you notice if we have then on or not?, do you care if we have them on or not?
As a purser I do not make my crew wear them - i preffer they are comfortable and happy - and so happier when looking after you and in turn making you happy.
It is part of our uniform and so we are supposed to wear it from gear up to gear down, however just think how you would feel if you had to spend up to 12 hours in your suit jacket serving meals/drink etc etc.
Thanks for looking at this post - your thoughts plz.
You may or may not have noticed that the male crew during the flight for the service sometimes wear something called an "in-flight jacket" - it looks redish and is single breasted with one button.
Again you may or may not have seen this before as we are not keen on them as they are very hot to wear as we are running up and down the cabin and the cuffs regualarly get dunked in dinner as we give them out.
What i want to ask you is do you like them?, do you notice if we have then on or not?, do you care if we have them on or not?
As a purser I do not make my crew wear them - i preffer they are comfortable and happy - and so happier when looking after you and in turn making you happy.
It is part of our uniform and so we are supposed to wear it from gear up to gear down, however just think how you would feel if you had to spend up to 12 hours in your suit jacket serving meals/drink etc etc.
Thanks for looking at this post - your thoughts plz.
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I have to say I've never noticed crew wearing them - and I wouldn't care if they didn't. I'd rather people were comfortable doing their jobs - 12 hours is a long time, and I'd rather have a cheerful steward in shirtsleeves than a miserable one in a jacket. As long as your crew look reasonably smart, I don't see a problem.
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Certainly you folks should be comfortable. Also, if the cuffs get into food, that is a severe health hazard for us.
Thanks for all the good service.
Thanks for all the good service.
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As long as they are clean, neat, tidy, keep their fingers, toes, cuffs etc out of the meals and are reasonably pleasant (and the vast majority of BA cabin crew seem to be) then they can wear pink frilly dresses for all I care. It is far more important to have a uniform which allows crew to move freely and without discomfort particularly should an emergency arise. I often wonder how those poor girls from Singapore Airlines would manage in an emergency. Their uniform is pretty to look at but just watching them walk through airport terminals makes me wonder if they would not be hampered by those long, tight skirts, they don't appear conducive to free movement.
PS You describe your occupation as "Local love god" Is this a new facility being provided by BA? If so, they haven't advertised it very well and where were you on my last trip?
PS You describe your occupation as "Local love god" Is this a new facility being provided by BA? If so, they haven't advertised it very well and where were you on my last trip?
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Interesting, I'd always assumed that the Pursers preferred to wear jackets in order to differentiate themselves from the rest of the crew! (saves you being hailed with "Waiter!" i guess 
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...and I can't remember when I last saw one wielding a dinner, but then I guess you don't make it down the back much, where food tends to be sealed up in something!
)...and I can't remember when I last saw one wielding a dinner, but then I guess you don't make it down the back much, where food tends to be sealed up in something!
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I do make it down the back quite a lot actually (oooo eerrrrr!!!) however it's only on our humble 737's and it's doubtfull you'll see me crossing the pond any time soon either - sorry to disappoint you DX!!!
Thanks for your comments so far all - keep them coming plz this forum is a rare opportunity to talk to you guys and get your thoughts without either of us feeling awkward or embarressed.
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Thanks for your comments so far all - keep them coming plz this forum is a rare opportunity to talk to you guys and get your thoughts without either of us feeling awkward or embarressed.
Cheers!!!!
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BA crew always look smart to me (as do bmi, my other regular seat provider)
I can't say that I can even remember what the CC are wearing - though I would notice if they truned up in easy Orange. (Not that their unform is bad - it's appropriate for the market.
I can't say that I can even remember what the CC are wearing - though I would notice if they truned up in easy Orange. (Not that their unform is bad - it's appropriate for the market.
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I agree with all the above (well, except for stewards in dresses 
). I can't believe anyone is going to complain about uniform as long as you are easily identifiable (for which I suppose there might be a slight argument for the red jackets).
). I can't believe anyone is going to complain about uniform as long as you are easily identifiable (for which I suppose there might be a slight argument for the red jackets).
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I've always been amused at the changes of uniform that staff go through. One jacket or coat to welcome us on board, then something slightly different while the meal is served and then back to the original when we land. It all seems rather pointless to me.
I can understand that the cabin staff need some sort of uniform; partly to distinguish you from the rest of us and partly to reinforce your authority should there be a need for you to start giving orders. But, surely a smart shirt with a logo could do the job. The most functional uniform I've seen is on Buzz, where the staff wear polo shirts in the airline colours - simple, attractive and does the job.
Thanks for doing a great job.
I can understand that the cabin staff need some sort of uniform; partly to distinguish you from the rest of us and partly to reinforce your authority should there be a need for you to start giving orders. But, surely a smart shirt with a logo could do the job. The most functional uniform I've seen is on Buzz, where the staff wear polo shirts in the airline colours - simple, attractive and does the job.
Thanks for doing a great job.
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Oh bother! Missed out again!
However, I spend my time flitting between the ex-penal colony and the UK rather than the land of the saltwater tea party and the last time I returned it was a 737-400 from LHR to MAN, an improvement on the last time I did that trip when it was a 757 with moth-holes in the paintwork on the wings! I am NOT joking, you could see the metal mesh! (Yes I did tell BA) As for the pink frilly dresses... well.. perhaps not, but I bet plenty more people would watch the safety demo if they did wear them.
However, I spend my time flitting between the ex-penal colony and the UK rather than the land of the saltwater tea party and the last time I returned it was a 737-400 from LHR to MAN, an improvement on the last time I did that trip when it was a 757 with moth-holes in the paintwork on the wings! I am NOT joking, you could see the metal mesh! (Yes I did tell BA) As for the pink frilly dresses... well.. perhaps not, but I bet plenty more people would watch the safety demo if they did wear them.
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Is this red waistcoat thing applicable to the A319 crews out of BHX? Can't say that I ever noticed any of the guys wearing them. In any case, as long as you keep a smart appearance and are easily identifiable as crew in the event of an emergency, I would certainly prefer you to dress comfortably.
Is this red waistcoat thing applicable to the A319 crews out of BHX? Can't say that I ever noticed any of the guys wearing them. In any case, as long as you keep a smart appearance and are easily identifiable as crew in the event of an emergency, I would certainly prefer you to dress comfortably.
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The "Jacket" applies to all male crew who work in B.A. uniform no matter the base (MAN, LHR, LGW, etc) or the subsidiary (G.B. etc etc). It doesn't suprise me that most of haven't seen them as they are not very popular - but some people do force the guys to wear them. You are more likely to see them in club or first on long haul especially. We on short haul do a lot of work in a very short space of time and so preffer to do without them - although it is against the rules.
I may invite some of my collegues to look at this thread from one of our sites as we are having an increasingly heated debate on the subject there.
Again...thanx for your comments again - and keep em coming!!!
I may invite some of my collegues to look at this thread from one of our sites as we are having an increasingly heated debate on the subject there.
Again...thanx for your comments again - and keep em coming!!!
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In the cabin it really doesn't matter as long as you are comfortable in the important and oft not appreciated job you all do. Also the most important part of your job is our safety and if it ever came down to it, i'd rather see the emergency exit handle being given a bit welly rather then the sound of riping threads through the cabin.
I just hope that the Ba uniform never becomes orange.
I just hope that the Ba uniform never becomes orange.
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Never noticed the red jacket on any flight, long or short haul - sorry to be so un-appreciative of the guys who've worn them. I do appreciate all the work you put in.
Not even seen them in Club or First where all the men seemed to be wearing the standard blue jacket - equaly hot and uncomfortable I'm sure. Felt rather guilty curled up under the quilt in BA pajamas. Is there an airline where you can get the big comfy seat, excellent food and wine, but with a relaxed service?
On a similar point, and as sokoyu mentioned, why do you have to 'change' uniform for disembarkation? We really don't care what you're wearing at that point to be honest. BD, and some others, are even worse - the girls have to wear gloves and hats at disembarkation - they look a little silly. No offence intended - this is aimed more at the management than cabin crew.
How about letting the regular pax have a vote on new uniform designs? I assume some airlines already do this. I'm sure there are very few pax who would choose the current red white and blue BA dresses, although the male uniform is very smart.
Not even seen them in Club or First where all the men seemed to be wearing the standard blue jacket - equaly hot and uncomfortable I'm sure. Felt rather guilty curled up under the quilt in BA pajamas. Is there an airline where you can get the big comfy seat, excellent food and wine, but with a relaxed service?
On a similar point, and as sokoyu mentioned, why do you have to 'change' uniform for disembarkation? We really don't care what you're wearing at that point to be honest. BD, and some others, are even worse - the girls have to wear gloves and hats at disembarkation - they look a little silly. No offence intended - this is aimed more at the management than cabin crew.
How about letting the regular pax have a vote on new uniform designs? I assume some airlines already do this. I'm sure there are very few pax who would choose the current red white and blue BA dresses, although the male uniform is very smart.
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I saw the red once - LHR-HKG - and the red scared the living daylights out of me, just waking up and having that much colour at 90° to logical - wahhhhh!
Comments - all of the above basically - clean, tidy, comfortable enough to work well and happy smiles are all the we would like, and perhaps contribute towards with a few bob. Dangerous ground that last one as we - the SLF or PAX always forget that the crew is there for our safety (the and comfort bit is only because it helps to fill their time as otherwise there really isn't that much to do - or would that also hit some raw nerves).
Thanks to all of you - we couldn't manage without you.
The Drag for the saftey show would get them watching though - it would also make an absolutely fab - comedy sketch - for the telly.
Comments - all of the above basically - clean, tidy, comfortable enough to work well and happy smiles are all the we would like, and perhaps contribute towards with a few bob. Dangerous ground that last one as we - the SLF or PAX always forget that the crew is there for our safety (the and comfort bit is only because it helps to fill their time as otherwise there really isn't that much to do - or would that also hit some raw nerves).
Thanks to all of you - we couldn't manage without you.
The Drag for the saftey show would get them watching though - it would also make an absolutely fab - comedy sketch - for the telly.
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I travel a few times a month with BA, and have to admit I've never noticed. A matter of complete indifference to me, provided the CC remain smart. BA has a particular image which is smart traditional and it would be a shame to lose it. I occasionally travel Virgin and again the CC are smart. in Virgin's case more contemporary. Both good, just different.
I'm afraid I don't buy the politically correct nonsense about safety aspect of CC work. Of course it's of paramount importance in a real emergency, but emergencies in which the CC's skills are called on are thankfully very rare. Good service is what matters on most flights. And that's what all airlines use to attract customers.
Since you've asked passengers views, can I extend the discussion a little?
There's a trend by some Pursers to make announcements that are far too long. And, when making announcements, to try to sound as if they're the Captain. There's occasionally a hint of 'my aeroplane' which I find it irritating.
But, I accept it might just be me. I find lengthy announcements on trains by the 'Senior Conductor' or 'Train Manager' equally annoying.
I'm afraid I don't buy the politically correct nonsense about safety aspect of CC work. Of course it's of paramount importance in a real emergency, but emergencies in which the CC's skills are called on are thankfully very rare. Good service is what matters on most flights. And that's what all airlines use to attract customers.
Since you've asked passengers views, can I extend the discussion a little?
There's a trend by some Pursers to make announcements that are far too long. And, when making announcements, to try to sound as if they're the Captain. There's occasionally a hint of 'my aeroplane' which I find it irritating.
But, I accept it might just be me. I find lengthy announcements on trains by the 'Senior Conductor' or 'Train Manager' equally annoying.
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Am I right in thinking that the service jacket is more a sort of purple colour and made from the same material the girlies uniform jacket is made from? If so then I've seen one once in all my time in BA, and that was being carried, not worn. Frankly I think you should wear the jacket at all times as it hides those nasty sweat marks. If you get hot you can put some ice in your pockets!
Bigmouth - the girls are wearing heels and nylons for no other reason than to taunt me.
nomdeplume - Do you know how to work the on-board defibrillator? Cos I don't. If you knew the full details you'd probably realise the cabin crew exercise their safety roles a little more regularly than you think. There are plenty of medical emergencies around, occasional fires and lots of strange vibrations and loud bangs from the tail end on rotation that the flight crew don't know about. Its a very eery feeling flying a pax jet without cabin crew.
Bigmouth - the girls are wearing heels and nylons for no other reason than to taunt me.
nomdeplume - Do you know how to work the on-board defibrillator? Cos I don't. If you knew the full details you'd probably realise the cabin crew exercise their safety roles a little more regularly than you think. There are plenty of medical emergencies around, occasional fires and lots of strange vibrations and loud bangs from the tail end on rotation that the flight crew don't know about. Its a very eery feeling flying a pax jet without cabin crew.
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Leave the jacket off, not that I've ever noticed anybody wearing one.
Just keep the smiles food, Bloody Marys and cognac coming.
As was mentioned above, smart traditional works well for BA, keep it up.
Just keep the smiles food, Bloody Marys and cognac coming.
As was mentioned above, smart traditional works well for BA, keep it up.