Captain orders 100 unruly school children off plane
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Captain orders 100 unruly school children off plane
Captain orders 100 unruly school children off plane - Telegraph
The captain of an American aeroplane grew so infuriated with the behaviour of 100 unruly schoolchildren that he ordered them to leave the plane.
The captain of an American aeroplane grew so infuriated with the behaviour of 100 unruly schoolchildren that he ordered them to leave the plane.
Rabbi Seth Linfield, executive director at Yeshiva of Flatbush, said the school was still looking into the disagreement, but he said in a statement that "preliminarily, it does not appear that the action taken by the flight crew was justified."
I can see where this is going, there will be a claim that they were religiously discriminated against because they were Jewish.....mark my words!
I can see where this is going, there will be a claim that they were religiously discriminated against because they were Jewish.....mark my words!
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I've been on too many journeys by various means of public transport where I wished the driver / captain would take such action.
I guess that American kids (even jewish ones) are as badly behaved as their UK counterparts.
Full marks to his / her action!
I guess that American kids (even jewish ones) are as badly behaved as their UK counterparts.
Full marks to his / her action!
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Too much paperwork !
No one wants to take this sort of action it results in a whole load of paperwork, writing reports and explaining to management. I don't know of a crew who would want this sort of extra hassle.
So this makes me think that these kids deserved the treatment that they got and when they realized they had pushed their luck too far they resorted to the I'm ( black, Jewish, Muslim, gay, lesbian etc etc etc ) and you are discriminating against me ! I will let you fill in the gaps as it is a typical minority reaction to any use of authority against them, even when that authority is upholding rules that are put in place for their safety
So this makes me think that these kids deserved the treatment that they got and when they realized they had pushed their luck too far they resorted to the I'm ( black, Jewish, Muslim, gay, lesbian etc etc etc ) and you are discriminating against me ! I will let you fill in the gaps as it is a typical minority reaction to any use of authority against them, even when that authority is upholding rules that are put in place for their safety
I despair at my Jewish co-religionists. I am a reasonably observant Jew who thinks that I do not deserve anything more than what I have paid for. My experience of my more observant colleagues on all sorts of flights sometimes makes me want to hide my face in shame.
Its about time they were taught a significant lesson.
Its about time they were taught a significant lesson.
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Passengers get offloaded because of their behaviour not their demographic. Until 'disruptive passengers' become a protected minority group then this isn't a discrimination issue. I really am not interested in the race, religion, nationality of my pax - I do care very much if they are disruptive, disobedient, challenging or threatening to the cabin crew and no minority or even majority group gets a free pass on that.
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Way back when I was a keen youg F/O on Viscounts, during one flight we had an orthodox Jewish pasenger who was making problems for the flight attendents {Before you throw crap at me, my father was an Irish Jew, myself Im some place between a non beliver and a cynic} I offered to go back and settle the guy down, the captain said he would do it, in no time he returned to the flight deck, with a quick "that fixed the stupid prick", when I asked him what he had done he simply rolled up his sleve, there was his number from a concentration camp still as clear as day, his next jem was, " shuts them up every time!". It turns out that after bailing out in WW2 he was captured by the SS, not the Luftwaffe, as a result he was not shipped to a POW camp, but rather a concentration camp which was liberated in time to save his life, he was a joy to fly with and passed away two years ago, we kept in touch on many ocasions before his death. Im told also used this ploy to settle down other ethic/religious pax who gave problems.
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^ Great story.
I used to work an ELAL feeder flight operated by Tower Air at the time between JFK and MIA. Never seen so many passengers taken off an aircraft hog tied by the police in my life, it seemed to be a weekly event.
I used to work an ELAL feeder flight operated by Tower Air at the time between JFK and MIA. Never seen so many passengers taken off an aircraft hog tied by the police in my life, it seemed to be a weekly event.
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Experience of various colleagues who've travelled to TA is that passengers can be breathtakingly boorish, arrogant and refuse to acknowledge female flight crew. Also noted that its virtually always visitors to the country and not residents who display these characteristics.
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I notice that there is a complete lack of follow-up news on this which tends to suggest that the incident has been well and truly sat on. It would be interesting to hear the full story sometime.
I notice that there is a complete lack of follow-up news on this which tends to suggest that the incident has been well and truly sat on. It would be interesting to hear the full story sometime.
[QUOTE]Experience of various colleagues who've travelled to TA is that passengers can be breathtakingly boorish, arrogant and refuse to acknowledge female flight crew. Also noted that its virtually always visitors to the country and not residents who display these characteristics./QUOTE]
Please note that refusing to acknowledge female crew may not be rudeness but a condition brought about by very limited contact with women who are not immediate family. This part of ultra orthodox Judaism; the men simply do not know how to communicate with women in a position of authority.
Now I might agree with you that this unacceptable behaviour, but don't blame the individual, rather the anachronistic system. As a frequent flier on flights to tel Aviv culprits of poor behaviour are not limited to the ultra orthodox and some of them are particularly well behaved. Part of the problem is that we Jews are a small community so on a flight from MAN to TLV I could easily know over half the plane load of passengers pretty well. So one is bound to want to get up and chat to an acquaintance. It's having the understanding to know when is the appropriate time to do it.
Please note that refusing to acknowledge female crew may not be rudeness but a condition brought about by very limited contact with women who are not immediate family. This part of ultra orthodox Judaism; the men simply do not know how to communicate with women in a position of authority.
Now I might agree with you that this unacceptable behaviour, but don't blame the individual, rather the anachronistic system. As a frequent flier on flights to tel Aviv culprits of poor behaviour are not limited to the ultra orthodox and some of them are particularly well behaved. Part of the problem is that we Jews are a small community so on a flight from MAN to TLV I could easily know over half the plane load of passengers pretty well. So one is bound to want to get up and chat to an acquaintance. It's having the understanding to know when is the appropriate time to do it.
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Boils down to basic discipline and lack of good manners,which stems from bad parenting. No respect shown to authority, passengers walk on an aircraft these day's as if they own it .
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When I was a young F/O on the F27 operating GCI-SOU we boarded a very rowdy (and probably somewhat intoxicated) touring party from a Bristol rugby club who were going home. With engines running and despite several requests from the two female cabin attendants they refused to remain seated and be quiet. When they ignored the captain's request he returned to the flight deck, instructed me to shut 'em down and call for the police. The rugby club members were all off-loaded and told not to bother coming back. I believe they left on a ferry two days later.
Of the remaining passengers, most subsequently wrote to the company in praise of Captain Day's actions. I don't recall any complaints, not even from the rugby players!
Of the remaining passengers, most subsequently wrote to the company in praise of Captain Day's actions. I don't recall any complaints, not even from the rugby players!
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This part of ultra orthodox Judaism; the men simply do not know how to communicate with women in a position of authority.
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Surely you're joking? Expect the airline to change the crew due to passenger bigotry? Dream on!
This problem is no more or less than a complete lack of cultural sensitivity amongst some of the Orthodox jews who seem to think that they can behave any way they like in another nations culture. Sure, they may do this on El Al but doing it on another airline is just as unacceptable as me walking into a synagogue eating a pork pie.
The problem becomes more serious when they refuse to listen to safety briefings or otherwise comply with crew's instructions unless a male speaks to them which undermines the female crew's authority as well as her confidence. And if the entire crew is female - pilots included? It just isn't acceptable behaviour.
Sadly men in black homburgs have a reputation unique in my experience for severely upsetting cabin crew by their attitude.
Not all of them, but far too many just the same.
This problem is no more or less than a complete lack of cultural sensitivity amongst some of the Orthodox jews who seem to think that they can behave any way they like in another nations culture. Sure, they may do this on El Al but doing it on another airline is just as unacceptable as me walking into a synagogue eating a pork pie.
The problem becomes more serious when they refuse to listen to safety briefings or otherwise comply with crew's instructions unless a male speaks to them which undermines the female crew's authority as well as her confidence. And if the entire crew is female - pilots included? It just isn't acceptable behaviour.
Sadly men in black homburgs have a reputation unique in my experience for severely upsetting cabin crew by their attitude.
Not all of them, but far too many just the same.
