Plane taxiing to take off while PAX are standing

[PAXboy]

ChocksAwayChaps

As for the other replies, crikey,

But you DID post in PPRuNe, did you not???

[BOAC]

Originally Posted by CAC

As for the other replies, crikey, I only wanted a straight answer, did this breach regs or not!

- letter and verse to be found in the ANO, then, for you http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP393.pdf Part 10 Duties of Commander, Article 90.

[TightSlot]

Airport Bus? Underground Train? There is no thought required. This is classic Straw Man argument technique.

If the incident took place on an Irish registered aircraft, then The Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) will be the responsible authority, and should be advised. It is safe to say that there is a perception among some people, no doubt false, that the IAA enjoys a warm and close relationship with some Irish Airlines.

[Sober Lark]

Code:

some people

It is safe to say that all you need do is find just two persons to hold true such a statement. However, I suspect you may only need to find one other person.

[TightSlot]

However, I suspect you may only need to find one other person.

Absolutely not - I am entirely neutral: I serve merely as a mirror to reflect the views of wiser heads than mine...

[UniFoxOs]

Airport Bus? Underground Train?

Designed for travel with standing pax - handrails and straps everywhere, ond (usually) no overhead stowage. Aircraft are not so designed.

Have had hand baggage checked on RYR flights more than once, at the departure gate.

UFO

[BOAC]

Originally Posted by TightSlot

no doubt false,

- bold but safe...........

[Sober Lark]

My apologies for misjudging you Tightslot.

[givemewings]

Last time I checked, a bus is not sitting on a few wing tanks full of fuel. I think it is more to do with keeping the aisles clear and accessible than any issue with them being standing, Although, as with anything these days, better to sit them down before push and until brake set and keep it consistent.

You can also break a bus window and get out pretty easily if you had to-not so much on a plane.

I am sure some airlines would love the idea of hand straps and 'standing room only'- as I think one of them has joked about doing before...!

[Piltdown Man]

Another reference to the fact that assengers shall be seated and with their seat belts fastened whilst taxiing can be found in EU-OPS 1.320: Seats, safety belts and harnesses. Section (b) 1. says:

Before take-off and landing, and during taxiing, and whenever deemed necessary in the interest of safety, the commander shall ensure that each passenger on board occupies a seat or berth with his/her safety belt, or harness where provided, properly secured.

That is pretty clear to me but we must be careful before we sling too much at the cabin crew. I'm going to suggest that this operator (whomever that might be) may place too much emphasis on greedily screwing as much as they can out their pax. Exorbitant baggage charges may persuade pax to board with excessive amounts of carry-on. Also, the crew may have so much pressure applied to depart on time, maybe so a cheap and nasty little fanfare can be played on arrival, that some safety items are overlooked. It might also be interesting to know if there is a league table on departure delays in the crew room, with crew names listed. Also, there may be an unfriendly, unlistening, viscous management at both local and corporate level who don't give a stuff about such things.

So, yes, it is a requirement to have both baggage and passengers secured when an aircraft is moving on the ground.

PM

[AARON O'DICKYDIDO]

Can anyone tell me please whether it's against any regs for a plane to taxi to the runway while pax are still standing?

THAT'S A YES THEN. We got there in the end thanks to BOAC.

AARON.