Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Misc. Forums > Passengers & SLF (Self Loading Freight)
Reload this Page >

Why do US carriers leave the pax signs on?

Wikiposts
Search
Passengers & SLF (Self Loading Freight) If you are regularly a passenger on any airline then why not post your questions here?

Why do US carriers leave the pax signs on?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 27th Feb 2013, 09:01
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Delsey
Posts: 744
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Why do US carriers leave the pax signs on?

I've noticed on several occasions that American Airlines tend to leave the seat belts signs on for the duration of the flight. A tad annoying on a LHR-DFW, lets say. Of course, most pax ignore the signs, even when obviously below 10000'.

What are the reasons for this "house arrest"? Security, liability?

The flights, coincidentally, were smooth. Not even light chop.
500 above is offline  
Old 27th Feb 2013, 10:31
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: In a remote jobless corner
Posts: 76
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Why do US carriers leave the pax signs on?

Because they don't want you to be taking a piss when you feel like ...
clearblueskyy is offline  
Old 27th Feb 2013, 10:33
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: south of Cirencester, north of Lyneham
Age: 76
Posts: 1,267
Received 19 Likes on 8 Posts
I was told that if you hit CAT, they aren't liable if you were out of your seat when the signs are on. Plus adherence to the signs in the US appears to be voluntary.
radeng is offline  
Old 27th Feb 2013, 15:10
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: world
Posts: 3,424
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
This subject has been covered before. Basically the Yank airlines are paranoid in case they get their arses sued. Understandable of course when one considers the total mockery of judicial interpretations on liability in the USA.

Last edited by Hotel Tango; 27th Feb 2013 at 17:38.
Hotel Tango is offline  
Old 27th Feb 2013, 16:43
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: any town as retired.
Posts: 2,182
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Cos they are lazy Bar Stewards

But all the above are valid.

I would suspect that if pressed in court, the failure to illuminate the valid signs at the appropriate times as per the company operations manual, might just bite them back.

Unless the company SOP is leave on at all times, and let the uninformed passengers guess the status re CAT.

what ever.

glf
Gulfstreamaviator is offline  
Old 27th Feb 2013, 18:56
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: SLF, living somewhere East in the West
Posts: 235
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
This is on all US carriers and usually there is an announcement to that effect. BTW - LH switches them off but has the same recommendation to leave them on all time (which I do).
grimmrad is offline  
Old 27th Feb 2013, 21:08
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: world
Posts: 3,424
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
LH switches them off but has the same recommendation to leave them on all time (which I do).
That's pretty standard on all carriers (except U.S.), but that's not quite the issue here.

Personally, I feel that the American carriers' policy is potentially more of a danger to pax. I rather have the advisary "to keep them on at all times when seated" but only have the signs illuminated when the threat is real. What the American system does by keeping them permanantly on is encourage pax to eventually ignore the signs.

Last edited by Hotel Tango; 27th Feb 2013 at 21:09.
Hotel Tango is offline  
Old 28th Feb 2013, 09:34
  #8 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Delsey
Posts: 744
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
What the American system does by keeping them permanantly on is encourage pax to eventually ignore the signs.
That's my whole point. And yet the c/c walk past overhead lockers that have been open for twenty minutes, ignore pax standing up even before the crew have been released etc etc. That's not a safety culture!
500 above is offline  
Old 7th Mar 2013, 19:39
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: London UK
Posts: 7,651
Likes: 0
Received 18 Likes on 15 Posts
Discussion with a US skipper showed that each time they put the Seat Belt sign on, there is an extensive set of FAA-mandated SOPs that the cabin crew then have to perform around the cabin. This pi$$es them off, and as many regular travellers on mainstream US network carriers will be aware, that is something you don't do to the cabin crew of such carriers. So, it seems, for a quiet life in the hotac afterwards, just leave them on.
WHBM is offline  
Old 17th Mar 2013, 06:44
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Back of beyond
Posts: 793
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
Not a "recommendation" - it's mandatory on LH
RevMan2 is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.