Seriously obese passenger query.
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From: 59°09N 002°38W (IATA: SOY, ICAO: EGER)
Maybe the obese passengers have discovered this old medicine?
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From: West Wales and Zug, Switzerland
Really caiman27!!! So do smelly people, rude people, people who have loud clothing and I could go on and on.
Its public transport and if you don't like mixing with the general public fly in your own private jet!!!!!!!
Its public transport and if you don't like mixing with the general public fly in your own private jet!!!!!!!
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From: heathrow
Its public transport and if you don't like mixing with the general public fly in your own private jet!!!!!!!
If I had paid good money for my own private seat, I don't expect other people to take up some of the space that I have rented for the duration of the flight.
So do smelly people, rude people, people who have loud clothing and I could go on and on.
Smelly people are a bit different and can cause problems, but in general they don't worry me or have too much of an influence on my flight comfort.
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From: SLF, living somewhere East in the West
Being morbidly obese is only partially a choice as there is a strong genetic background often to be found, e.g. for Typ 1 diabetes (and increasingly type 2). And, no, I am not obese but with a BMI of around 23...
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Airlines are facing a possible multi-million dollar lawsuit after a clinically obese woman died while on holiday in Hungary after she was refused a seat on three flights back to New York where she needed medical treatment.
I find it uncomfortable when large people spill over into my seat. It shouldn't happen. The world has gone so P.C, eroding our rights as 'normal' sized people in this case. Sod that - 8 hours next/in front of a 'larger' person, knees poking your back, elbows sticking into your ribs, wheezing away...
Maybe someone should start an airline for fat people using Guppies or Belugas or perhaps a McDonald's Douglas!
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mc...4B-Ih-_-Bi7BM:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fa...BvxUDOchME7FM:
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8 hours next/in front of a 'larger' person, knees poking your back, elbows sticking into your ribs, wheezing away...
This happened to me on a BA European shorthaul a couple of weeks ago; 75 minutes of sheer bloody purgatory as this obese b******'s seat pressed hard on my knees. I could not lower my tray, even if I wanted to, nor could I move to restore circulation and avoid DVT without disturbing this inconsiderate lardarse's comfort.
And guess what? The b*gg*r had the nerve to raise his vast bulk enough off the seat to rotate his head and threaten me if I did it again!
The process of heaving his fat mountain up, and turning his head, must have taken 1-2 minutes. Emergency evacuation without endangering the lives of those behind him? Not a chance.
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And guess what? The b*gg*r had the nerve to raise his vast bulk enough off the seat to rotate his head and threaten me if I did it again!
In all seriousness, there is a 'massive' safety issue here. You have a right to your entire seat space, as he does. Not one inch more.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fa...4bDifT-ca_kXM:
Don't Start Me Off - fat people on planes
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From: Spain
As a teacher who worked with people with special needs, including those with obesity, I think it is time to redress the general level of ignorance, superstition and bias so far displayed in this thread:
(From Wiki)
Note in particular the mention in the last line of the modern diet. It is a sad but true fact that children become obese at an early age because they are given, for any number of reasons, an inappropriate diet. By the time they reach their teens, their habits and size are pretty well determined and after that it is very difficult to undo the damage. It is easy in this scenario to blame parents but the fact is that many people in today's society do not have sufficient knowledge or education to understand what constitutes a healthy diet for their children. Hence the attempts by Jamie Oliver to try to get a healthy diet into schools. All of this is exacerbated by the processed food conglomerates who are able to produce inappropriate packaged food very cheaply and make vast profits.
You may well be discomfited by the obese person in the seat next to you but please do try to be a little less prejudiced when discussing such a situation. By the way, should you wonder, I am fortunate to have been slim all my life thanks to the fact that my mum brought me up on a very healthy wartime diet.
At an individual level, a combination of excessive food energy intake and a lack of physical activity is thought to explain most cases of obesity. A limited number of cases are due primarily to genetics, medical reasons, or psychiatric illness. In contrast, increasing rates of obesity at a societal level are felt to be due to an easily accessible and palatable diet, increased reliance on cars, and mechanized manufacturing
Note in particular the mention in the last line of the modern diet. It is a sad but true fact that children become obese at an early age because they are given, for any number of reasons, an inappropriate diet. By the time they reach their teens, their habits and size are pretty well determined and after that it is very difficult to undo the damage. It is easy in this scenario to blame parents but the fact is that many people in today's society do not have sufficient knowledge or education to understand what constitutes a healthy diet for their children. Hence the attempts by Jamie Oliver to try to get a healthy diet into schools. All of this is exacerbated by the processed food conglomerates who are able to produce inappropriate packaged food very cheaply and make vast profits.
You may well be discomfited by the obese person in the seat next to you but please do try to be a little less prejudiced when discussing such a situation. By the way, should you wonder, I am fortunate to have been slim all my life thanks to the fact that my mum brought me up on a very healthy wartime diet.
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Point taken, John
But...
I don't suppose Jamie Oliver has to sit next to them in economy though. Unfortunately, the rest of your statement rings true - the lack of education and knowledge. That describes 2/3 of the LoCo pax demographic. One great oldie wanted "flying for the masses" - he instead got flying with the masses
But...
It is easy in this scenario to blame parents but the fact is that many people in today's society do not have sufficient knowledge or education to understand what constitutes a healthy diet for their children. Hence the attempts by Jamie Oliver to try to get a healthy diet into schools. All of this is exacerbated by the processed food conglomerates who are able to produce inappropriate packaged food very cheaply and make vast profits
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From: Glasgow
Apart from the obvious safety implications of an obese person blocking the route to an escape exit - or even blocking the exit itself, the obese have to justify why they should expect to pay standard fares when the the slim girl sitting in the next seat may have had to spend a fortune in excess baggage charges.
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Don't give them ideas Bill......
The LoCo's will be offering a premium 'sit next to a hot chick' seat for an extra £20. Very true, though. Why should a slim, lightweight woman pay because she has 22 kg's when a 300lb man pays no extra. I've even seen one fat family wearing several heavy jumpers and coats at check- in, obviously trying to avoid an orange airlines excess baggage charges. I pity the poor people sat next to or in between them.
The LoCo's will be offering a premium 'sit next to a hot chick' seat for an extra £20. Very true, though. Why should a slim, lightweight woman pay because she has 22 kg's when a 300lb man pays no extra. I've even seen one fat family wearing several heavy jumpers and coats at check- in, obviously trying to avoid an orange airlines excess baggage charges. I pity the poor people sat next to or in between them.
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From: The 3 Valleys
@sunnyjohn
Listen, just because they , or their parents are stupid, is certainly no reason why they should get another, extra layer of compassion now.
It is not acceptable to pass their problem onto their neighbours, they have to deal with it themselves.
You may well be discomfited by the obese person in the seat next to you but please do try to be a little less prejudiced when discussing such a situation.
It is not acceptable to pass their problem onto their neighbours, they have to deal with it themselves.
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the fact is that many people in today's society do not have sufficient knowledge or education to understand what constitutes a healthy diet for their children
Indeed, lack of education - as seen in the third world, ie NO education - and lack of obesity seem to go together, don't they? I wonder why?
In the UK people eat junk food and lots of it because, so far as 99% of them are concerned, they are stupid, self-indulgent, lazy, and can always blame someone else.
They know perfectly well that this and lack of any exercise is making them what they are. But they don't give a toss. Look around in Tesco at the huge bottoms behind the fullest trolleys, and look at what's in those trolleys. And then realise that the person with that bottom can read, write, watch TV and has had at least 10 years education.
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Perhaps the answer is to have a box similar to hand baggage sizers.
If can't get in that box, try the next size up, if you can't get into the double, try the triple. if you can't get into that one refused boarding.
Fares base on what box you fit into.
Oh and you have to be able to move your arms, not squeezed in with a shoehorn.
If can't get in that box, try the next size up, if you can't get into the double, try the triple. if you can't get into that one refused boarding.
Fares base on what box you fit into.
Oh and you have to be able to move your arms, not squeezed in with a shoehorn.