"Seat belts don't matter,” said Michael O’Leary, chief executive of Ryanair.
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Perhaps he saw this video, or perhaps he even made it.
10 FUNNIEST AIRPLANE PARODIES - Pilots & Flight Attendants Behaving Badly! - YouTube
10 FUNNIEST AIRPLANE PARODIES - Pilots & Flight Attendants Behaving Badly! - YouTube
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I've seen RYR doing speeds well in excess of that.
Everyone knows how hot FR is on OFDM incidents and how careful we pilots have to be to avoid giving management a reason to dispense with our services. Do you really think the airline has a culture of irresponsible taxiing or do just you have a an axe to grind?
As for O'Leary, he is a professional embarrassment but he is not running the show. He is there to crack whips while the operation is run by far more sensible people - albeit people who care little for their staff.
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No I don't have an axe to grind - maybe I am wrong- it's my perception though.
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And don't forget, I'm in a 744 when I see this, so maybe the relative size difference gives the impression....]
And, I would never wish to offend a fellow professional, so pls don't think I'm having a pop at you.
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And don't forget, I'm in a 744 when I see this, so maybe the relative size difference gives the impression....]
And, I would never wish to offend a fellow professional, so pls don't think I'm having a pop at you.
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What I don't think the Chief Executive understands is that every time he makes statements of this kind, he is betting his entire operation on the preservation of a 100% safety record.
If (or God forbid, when) Ryanair has its first fatal accident, the jury in the wrongful death suit that will inevitably follow will have Mr O'Leary's collected wit and wisdom presented to it, in graphic detail, as evidence of a persistently cavalier attitude to aviation safety that went all the way to the top. It will then turn around and award the airline to the victims' relatives. Ryanair's pleas that it adhered to the legal minima will avail it naught in the face of pronouncements like these.
With his innumerable public bętises, Mr O'Leary is piling up a mountain that will be impossible for the most skilful and expensive counsel for the defence to surmount.
If (or God forbid, when) Ryanair has its first fatal accident, the jury in the wrongful death suit that will inevitably follow will have Mr O'Leary's collected wit and wisdom presented to it, in graphic detail, as evidence of a persistently cavalier attitude to aviation safety that went all the way to the top. It will then turn around and award the airline to the victims' relatives. Ryanair's pleas that it adhered to the legal minima will avail it naught in the face of pronouncements like these.
With his innumerable public bętises, Mr O'Leary is piling up a mountain that will be impossible for the most skilful and expensive counsel for the defence to surmount.
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Sorry for the rant, but fellow pilots regularly mistake the behaviour of MO'L as being indicative of the attitudes to professionalism of the pilot workforce. As Blind Squirrel then points out, quite correctly, this impression of carelessness is building up a problem for the Company should it ever suffer a serious incident.
Sorry for the rant, but fellow pilots regularly mistake the behaviour of MO'L as being indicative of the attitudes to professionalism of the pilot workforce. As Blind Squirrel then points out, quite correctly, this impression of carelessness is building up a problem for the Company should it ever suffer a serious incident.
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“If you say to passengers it’s Ł25 for the seat and Ł1 for the standing cabin, I guarantee we will sell the standing cabin first,” he said. “No question. You should be able to choose from a safety perspective."
Will this happen? No. Anyone involved with or interested in commercial aviation knows it won't happen. But free publicity wil happen. As someone in this thread points out, The Telegraph may get lots of advertising from FR and have to jolly him along now and then with the oxygen of free publicity.
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Depone- no worries bud.
The thing is, I can actually visualise the whole FD crew of FR facepalming and shaking their heads every time MOL opens his huge mouth!!
And he forgets, a poorly motivated and distracted flightdeck is an accident waiting to happen.
I don't think for one moment, any airman worth his salt would compromise ethics and safety. But still, he's putting a lot of pressure on them, which is not pleasant.
At VS, we're encouraged to be calm, happy, non-confrontational and engaging. Even a little PA humour is good at times and not discouraged.
I also feel very sorry for the crew- working under such confrontational customer relations must be a real strain. PAX are almost ready to complain before they even arrive at the Terminal.
CRM is not MOL's strongest suit.
The thing is, I can actually visualise the whole FD crew of FR facepalming and shaking their heads every time MOL opens his huge mouth!!
And he forgets, a poorly motivated and distracted flightdeck is an accident waiting to happen.
I don't think for one moment, any airman worth his salt would compromise ethics and safety. But still, he's putting a lot of pressure on them, which is not pleasant.
At VS, we're encouraged to be calm, happy, non-confrontational and engaging. Even a little PA humour is good at times and not discouraged.
I also feel very sorry for the crew- working under such confrontational customer relations must be a real strain. PAX are almost ready to complain before they even arrive at the Terminal.
CRM is not MOL's strongest suit.
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Well, he maybe does have a minor point that there is an enormous gap in safety culture across different modes of transport. Opening the door on the ramp or walking under the wing is a big no no, yet a few minutes later we get on the tube where trains rush along crowded platforms within a foot or so of people and at some stations the gap between train and platform is a few feet wide. And then we pack as many people as possible onto the train, no toilet or toilet u/s and it's not uncommon for the train to be stuck between stations for as long as it takes to emergency land from FL320 - yet somehow life just goes on and we live with it.
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As also pointed out on the R&N forum, what it may do is make life harder for cabin crew when enforcing seatbelts-on regulations - cue the smartarse who announces "But they don't make any difference - your boss said so".
I'd have loved O'Leary to be on the landing into GVA I had recently (in the aftermath of a storm) and tell me there's no such thing as turbulence in Europe anymore. When the aircraft fell about 20 ft a couple of times on approach, I was really rather glad of my seatbelt. Shame Mr. O'Leary couldn't have been there to demonstrate the efficacy of standing up and "just holding on to the handle"
I'd have loved O'Leary to be on the landing into GVA I had recently (in the aftermath of a storm) and tell me there's no such thing as turbulence in Europe anymore. When the aircraft fell about 20 ft a couple of times on approach, I was really rather glad of my seatbelt. Shame Mr. O'Leary couldn't have been there to demonstrate the efficacy of standing up and "just holding on to the handle"
Well, he maybe does have a minor point that there is an enormous gap in safety culture across different modes of transport. Opening the door on the ramp or walking under the wing is a big no no, yet a few minutes later we get on the tube where trains rush along crowded platforms within a foot or so of people and at some stations the gap between train and platform is a few feet wide. And then we pack as many people as possible onto the train, no toilet or toilet u/s and it's not uncommon for the train to be stuck between stations for as long as it takes to emergency land from FL320 - yet somehow life just goes on and we live with it.
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A sizeable and rather obvious flaw in O'Leary's argument that an aircraft is just a bus, so standing for a journey is quite alright, is that he's talking about short stage buses in towns, as I'm sure he realises full well.
The real comparison is with long-distance coach travel, where no-one would dream of standing for the whole journey, and where, guess what, the use of seat-belts has become compulsory in the UK at least and I'm sure most developed countries.
But then dear Michael's commercially-driven thirst for publicity has never allowed the facts to intervene in his carefully contrived "outrageous" pronouncements.
The real comparison is with long-distance coach travel, where no-one would dream of standing for the whole journey, and where, guess what, the use of seat-belts has become compulsory in the UK at least and I'm sure most developed countries.
But then dear Michael's commercially-driven thirst for publicity has never allowed the facts to intervene in his carefully contrived "outrageous" pronouncements.
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Someone has to give this fool a fair hearing, he knows not what he says
If Ryanair was as bad as we all like to think we would not be hoping they do not have an accident they would have had several by now. It follows they are not as bad as we think even if they are B awfull
They may be on the verge of several nasty events given the situation as we understand it which is that they have aquired through good selection a first rate set of skilled and lucky commanders who manage the risk well.
As the industry struggles back to its feet and those who able jump ship MOL may be able to maintain this happy state through continuous close scrutiny of the replacement commanders but the odds are against him
If the risk management pattern works as normal their next event will be an inexperienced skipper with a new or passed over FO in an awkward situation probably by night, bad weather or another demanding situation
All this is from slender knowledge; sharing an airfield with them for ten years and 1 flight
If Ryanair was as bad as we all like to think we would not be hoping they do not have an accident they would have had several by now. It follows they are not as bad as we think even if they are B awfull
They may be on the verge of several nasty events given the situation as we understand it which is that they have aquired through good selection a first rate set of skilled and lucky commanders who manage the risk well.
As the industry struggles back to its feet and those who able jump ship MOL may be able to maintain this happy state through continuous close scrutiny of the replacement commanders but the odds are against him
If the risk management pattern works as normal their next event will be an inexperienced skipper with a new or passed over FO in an awkward situation probably by night, bad weather or another demanding situation
All this is from slender knowledge; sharing an airfield with them for ten years and 1 flight
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it's an interesting one.
people often ask me about flight safety, and they often quote that famous stat 'oh it's ten times safer than driving'
Guess what? It is not.
It all depends on how you measure it.
If you measure on distance covered, yes, 10 times safer.
If you measure it in cycles (for the non Crew/airline staff, a cycle is a take off, flight and landing) then flying is 4 times MORE lethal.
Everytime I start the roll, I remember this, just to be better and safer.
Fact.
people often ask me about flight safety, and they often quote that famous stat 'oh it's ten times safer than driving'
Guess what? It is not.
It all depends on how you measure it.
If you measure on distance covered, yes, 10 times safer.
If you measure it in cycles (for the non Crew/airline staff, a cycle is a take off, flight and landing) then flying is 4 times MORE lethal.
Everytime I start the roll, I remember this, just to be better and safer.
Fact.
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Tinribs- on the money there alright.
The issue is- flying is commoditised, and MOL is leading that commoditization. And whenever something becomes commoditised it becomes of a lower quality.
Look at the number of low hour guys that cannot get a sniff of a seat!
Look at the starting salaries for FO's in LoCo's. London Bus and Tube drivers earn the same!!!!!!
It's outrageous.
The issue is- flying is commoditised, and MOL is leading that commoditization. And whenever something becomes commoditised it becomes of a lower quality.
Look at the number of low hour guys that cannot get a sniff of a seat!
Look at the starting salaries for FO's in LoCo's. London Bus and Tube drivers earn the same!!!!!!
It's outrageous.
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Seatbelts necessary? Don't be silly!
Seatbelts on aeroplanes are pointless and will not save passengers in a crash, the chief executive of Ryanair has said, as he attempts to make “standing room only” cabins a reality.
Seatbelts on planes are pointless, says Ryanair boss - Telegraph
Seatbelts on planes are pointless, says Ryanair boss - Telegraph
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Here is an idea.
Ok, fair enough. Lets do this. Kit out a 737 for standing. Mol and mates can do the first flight test as the crash test dummies. Worst possible weather with the shortest runway possible on the routes flown. If they survive, then they can give it thought.
Otherwise its the usual crap from an attention seeking megalomaniac (not a dumb one, but then neither was Hitler), which has been spouted about by a media outlet who is stupid and desperate enough to print it.
Otherwise its the usual crap from an attention seeking megalomaniac (not a dumb one, but then neither was Hitler), which has been spouted about by a media outlet who is stupid and desperate enough to print it.
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Cryanair already has the maximum number of seats certified for the B737-800. He cannot add more passengers.
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