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Shortest B747 scheduled route?

Old 23rd Sep 2011, 03:32
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JAL had 747-100s for domestics and then 747-400s without winglets. As suggested this racked up the landings etc and at one time the plan was to add winglets and convert them for long haul at some point in their careers but I have no idea if it happened.
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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 05:30
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I've flown Manila - Cebu on a 747, I'm sure I've flown KL - Singers on a 747 before now. Can't think of anything less than those two.


(I was really happy when we checked in at Manila for the flight to Cebu & the girl said not only was it a 747 but we'd been upgraded - straight past business class & in to first. Made up I was. Until I got on the oldest 747 I'd ever seen and the upholstery in First was like pigs had been using it and the over head bins etc were...in some distress...flew into Cebu like a drunken chicken on coke.)

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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 09:59
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I agree Load Toad, Admittedly the A330 is a little better on the MNL-CEB route then the 747, but i'm always impressed at the full meal service that is managed in business on what is essentially 45 minutes in the air.
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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 10:10
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Hi Guys,

I am continuing under the impression that those Japanese domestic B747s, as you said, didn't have winglets, but they also didn't have the capacity to carry centre tank fuel!

That's what I heard...
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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 10:19
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IIRC Air Canada flies just about every aircraft it has ever owned (including the B747) on the Toronto - Montreal sector (Main maintenance base in YUL, main hub in YYZ). This sector is probably the heaviest domestic sector as well. 310 miles

Swissair (SR not LX) used to fly Geneva - Zurich with their B747s, DC10s and MD11s usually as tag-ends. LX does this occasionally. 143 miles.

And I believe SABENA used to fly between Kinshasa and Brazzaville with their B747s - 16 miles.
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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 15:32
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Lufthansa occasionally runs domestic sectors with 747s, usually in september/october when the summer longhaul demand winds down and domestic demand is high. Frankfurt to berlin or to hamburg were the sectors last years.
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Old 25th Sep 2011, 10:56
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Hong Kong to Bangkok

I flew from Hong Kong to Bangkok with Thai Airways in May. Year round service with an old configuration B747. I think it's about 1000 miles - just long enough for a nice meal and a quick snooze. Those sleeper seats are more comfortable than you'd think!
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Old 25th Sep 2011, 14:01
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SAA used to run domestic sectors with 747s when they operated them - but their domestic sectors were 1,000 miles JNB~CPT! My log book tells me that I did an 800 mile sector in a 743 from George (GRJ) to JNB in 2001 which took 75 minutes.
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Old 25th Sep 2011, 19:01
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Singapore Airlines used to do call at AMS on their way from MAN to SIN. Couldn't have been more than 45mins. Couldn't for the life of me understand why as there was only ever a handfull of passengers getting on or off.


Once texted my mate to pick me up from MAN while on the ground in AMS only for the fog to come down and had to sit there for over two hours for it to clear.
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Old 25th Sep 2011, 19:13
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Couldn't for the life of me understand why as there was only ever a handfull of passengers getting on or off.
Might have been a case of them wanting to keep the route 'use it or lose it' and then they might have found that they could not expand as they had hoped and stopped the stop?
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Old 25th Sep 2011, 19:25
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Difference between a run-on 'hop' sector, as opposed to the main (or only) sector. Returning from Mo Bay to LHR in the late 80s, our 742 (I think) hopped to Kingston and then home. The hop was about 12 minutes I think.
I travelled on those legs a few times but I think the quickest was about 22 mins.

It was a case of "get on, belt up, shut up, sit still, your are not getting fed or watered and no movies"
Overall a very strange trip will all pax and crew just sitting there doing nothing.but great views from low altitude of "Cockpit country" , those odd shaped mountains en route which remains uncharted and impenetrable.
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Old 26th Sep 2011, 20:03
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In 1987 I had a return LHR-CDG (186nm): outbound BA Tristar, inbound AF AB300. Had to go around at CDG due to the previous landing aircraft being slow to clear the runway (as explained by the Captain). 10 years later BA 767s were still frequently experienced on this route, and I heard that newly-delivered 777s were sometimes used (though I never saw this myself).

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Old 26th Sep 2011, 21:31
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Once saw an Aer Lingus 747 land at Glsagow from Dublin on a Six Nations Rugby weekend. BA fly their 747's from LHR to Cardiff for maintenance and from LHR to LGW for positioning, both non-revenue of course,
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Old 26th Sep 2011, 21:46
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I travelled on those legs a few times but I think the quickest was about 22 mins.
I sit corrected. I did not note the time at the time it was about 23 years ago! Unfortunately, our journey was at night and so we did not see the interior of Jamaica island. The only other point I recall is that the Cpt said, sue to high ambient temperatures, he would leave the gear down during the hop and so there would be a more more wind noise than usual. I thought that a little unusual but presumed that the turnaround at Montego Bay had been short (most pax were changing over at Kingston.
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Old 26th Sep 2011, 22:38
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During the nineties SIA would use a B747-400 on SIN-KUL and return regularly on Fridays and Sundays and before and after public holidays.
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 03:36
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CX operating B744 AMS - CDG v.v. 3 times per week to keep the CDG slot. About 40 mins. Finishes end Oct.
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 18:57
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BA have traffic rights BAH-DOH with the 747/777. I believe the record is 19 minutes chock to chock. No inflight service to speak of, apart from a round of canapés and a bar service in First Class.
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 19:17
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I believe the record is 19 minutes chock to chock
Standing by to be corrected but I'd be gobsmacked it that's "chock to chock"....I do however have reason to believe it may be an achievable flight time........
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 19:55
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Duff 'gen from my side then....!
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 20:04
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Standing by to be corrected
You're not allowed to stand on such short sectors.

Alright, I'll leave without a fight ...
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