Which airline has the best long haul business class seat?
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Which airline has the best long haul business class seat?
Most of us have tried a fairly limited selection so it is hard to compare, but as a starter from the last few weeks:
Continental - new 777 - equal first with Iberia. Almost flat bed, wide at the shoulders, reasonable degree of privacy, loads of storage space, comfortable both to sit in and sleep on.
Air France - new 777 - Flat bed, no storage space (but bulkhead seat), not much privacy, OK to sit in but rock hard to sleep on. Middle-aged A330 - Comfortable seat with adequate storage but angled bed not good to sleep on - kept sliding down. Worse than TAM.
TAM - A330 and 777 various ages - Not a flat bed, very comfortable to sit in but not great for sleep. Wide, adequate storage space.
Iberia - A340 - Flat bed, comfortable seat, adequate storage. Not as wide as Continental or as comfortable to sit in but more room for your feet when sleeping. Equal first with Continental.
BA - 747 and 777 - Flat bed, but narrow and hard. Not comfortable to sit in. Flimsy, not much storage space. High levels of privacy if you put the silly screen up, no privacy at all with it down. Bounces around like a dinghy in a gale as people move or walk down the aisle.
Egyptair - old 777 - old fashioned seat. New A330 - better seat.
I know there are review sites, but more interesting (I suggest) are people who can compare airline offerings in a single post. Also find I sleep much better on buses than 777s - they seem much quieter.
Continental - new 777 - equal first with Iberia. Almost flat bed, wide at the shoulders, reasonable degree of privacy, loads of storage space, comfortable both to sit in and sleep on.
Air France - new 777 - Flat bed, no storage space (but bulkhead seat), not much privacy, OK to sit in but rock hard to sleep on. Middle-aged A330 - Comfortable seat with adequate storage but angled bed not good to sleep on - kept sliding down. Worse than TAM.
TAM - A330 and 777 various ages - Not a flat bed, very comfortable to sit in but not great for sleep. Wide, adequate storage space.
Iberia - A340 - Flat bed, comfortable seat, adequate storage. Not as wide as Continental or as comfortable to sit in but more room for your feet when sleeping. Equal first with Continental.
BA - 747 and 777 - Flat bed, but narrow and hard. Not comfortable to sit in. Flimsy, not much storage space. High levels of privacy if you put the silly screen up, no privacy at all with it down. Bounces around like a dinghy in a gale as people move or walk down the aisle.
Egyptair - old 777 - old fashioned seat. New A330 - better seat.
I know there are review sites, but more interesting (I suggest) are people who can compare airline offerings in a single post. Also find I sleep much better on buses than 777s - they seem much quieter.
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SQ 777ER and 380. Flat bed, but you have to lay at an angle if you are more than 5' tall. Seat is a bit wide when you are sat in it, but quite comfortable. Lots of little storage areas, decent screen and IFE.
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SLF3, in a way, your answer poses the question! What is the best seat? Do you prefer:-
- Capsule or sharing?
- Facing the window or inward?
- Do you tend to sleep or work?
- What body size/shape are you?
- Is the food important - best seat might not have best food!
- Is the service important - best seat might not have most attentive service!
- Is it going to be a daylight or night time sector?
- Are you going on a work trip or leisure?
- What is your cultural approach to travel?
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Deliberately limited this to 'the seat' since entertainment, food, service etc are much more subjective. Tried to give a view on both sleeping and sitting, to address the day or night sector issue. Agree privacy is subjective but from conversations at work think the seat / bed comfort thing is not - have not met anyone who has tried the new Continental seat who does not like it, for example.
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That's fair enough SLF3, I was being slightly Devil's Advocate based on when this question has been posed before!
I have in the past also chosen sheer space of a biz seata above service (it was some years ago and the seat was not brilliant but there was SPACE and the service was SABENA long haul
) Mostly, people choose a combination of the factors but it certainly depends on whether it is a biz or leisure trip. I don't do long haul biz these days in my current job.
I have in the past also chosen sheer space of a biz seata above service (it was some years ago and the seat was not brilliant but there was SPACE and the service was SABENA long haul
) Mostly, people choose a combination of the factors but it certainly depends on whether it is a biz or leisure trip. I don't do long haul biz these days in my current job.
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Did fly KLM AMS/JNB in business the other day on the 777. It was better than a comfort seat in economy but not particularly comfortable.
I had the unpleasant experience of flying in an A380 from CDG to JNB very recently. That is a truly horrid aircraft in which to travel as an economy passenger. Air France's business seats, on a quick inspection, left much to be desired and their colour scheme is ghastly.
I had the unpleasant experience of flying in an A380 from CDG to JNB very recently. That is a truly horrid aircraft in which to travel as an economy passenger. Air France's business seats, on a quick inspection, left much to be desired and their colour scheme is ghastly.
Thanks for this thread. I'm a PRuneacoholic and the other sites are too difficult to find an up-to-date comparison thread.
I like any of the subjective comparisons, that way I can weight what's good for me.
For me the seat becomes more important the longer the flight time (what's this about day or night? my body doesn't care after 6 hours)
My wife and I got pampered with the brand new (last month) LH B747 F class (separate bed) and now she doesn't want to fly long haul unless I get her that ... lots of luck dear
I like any of the subjective comparisons, that way I can weight what's good for me.
For me the seat becomes more important the longer the flight time (what's this about day or night? my body doesn't care after 6 hours)
My wife and I got pampered with the brand new (last month) LH B747 F class (separate bed) and now she doesn't want to fly long haul unless I get her that ... lots of luck dear
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There are two kinds of business class travelers, and two kinds of seats that suit them:
1. Do as much work as possible, not expecting to rest like in a bed.
2. Get drunk and watch TV.
To each his own. A smart airline would have classes for each.
1. Do as much work as possible, not expecting to rest like in a bed.
2. Get drunk and watch TV.
To each his own. A smart airline would have classes for each.
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Mach Turtle, I think that's broadly right but it does get complicated - along with everything else these days!
When I do long haul (biz or leisure) I might sleep/work/chat but in any seuqence depending on my life at that time. I do think it's difficult for carriers to get it right as their pax load is no longer the homogeneous group that it was. There are many reasons for this but they don't matter right now (and stop calling me Shirley).
When I do long haul (biz or leisure) I might sleep/work/chat but in any seuqence depending on my life at that time. I do think it's difficult for carriers to get it right as their pax load is no longer the homogeneous group that it was. There are many reasons for this but they don't matter right now (and stop calling me Shirley).
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When I do long haul (biz or leisure) I might sleep/work/chat but in any seuqence depending on my life at that time.
Like I said, business class passengers are not a homogeneous unit. Some can pay for their tickets with work they do on the flight. Some are experiencing a special treat.
The present "Business Class" should be divided into "Luxury Class" and "Real Business Class". They could cost the same.
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Maybe not, but I'm not the only passenger who wants it to.
And I don't know why it would be hard to do. If anything, they'd just have to put a few different seats in the existing Business cabin, optimized for working at a desk rather than sleeping or watching movies.
And I don't know why it would be hard to do. If anything, they'd just have to put a few different seats in the existing Business cabin, optimized for working at a desk rather than sleeping or watching movies.
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Mach T, there may be a number of pax who want it - like they want 'no children' zones but the problem is that money is saved by standardisation and lost through diversity. Relatively few LH carriers have gone for the four cabin layout (adding in Premium Economy) due to the extra cost of providing, marketing and managing it.
So they try to make each biz seat more of a capsule and more versatile within the capsule so that you can do what you want.
So they try to make each biz seat more of a capsule and more versatile within the capsule so that you can do what you want.
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The Swiss product is not bad at all. I'm 6'6", and can stretch out on their flatbed. My only gripe is that they have this fancy air cushion technology maintaining the firmness of a series of cushions along the length of the seat, so everytime you move in the seat you can hear the pump coming on to adjust.
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SQ very good along with EK (I am 6ft 2 ) and have never had issues with sleeping on either carrier. LH also good but not as good as the other two although I think they are up grading soon. BA - depends on age of plane, but recent experiance could be summed up as some what tired, in both seating and Ice systems.
