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Old 11th Apr 2011, 15:28
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Security at Terminal 5 (Heathrow)

I'm actually in the terminal at the moment. The good news is that the queues for security were pretty short. The bad news is that the person I had to pass by was the stereotype of the rude, unpleasant and unhelpful security officer. Not just for me but he seemed to take delight in making up his own rules for every passenger and then becoming quite aggressive if, for example, a mobile phone was not placed in its own tray o pass through the x ray machine.

I was so annoyed that I sought out a supervisor. In some ways this has made my annoyance worse. I identified the security check number and the initial response was "I'll go to speak to him on your behalf". I watched him head off and then, after looking around to see whether I was watching - I was sneaky enough to have stopped behind a pillar - he walked away laughing with another worker.

In some ways it is such a pity. I should be praising Terminal 5 for efficient security procedures. Instead it appears, in the hackneyed phrase, that it has an institutionalised culture of customer contempt that reaches beyond more junior operators up to higher levels.
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Old 11th Apr 2011, 15:38
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Did you get the offending person's name? All airport johnnies must wear an identity badge.

Even if you did not, each "line" in the security areas has a number, so that and the time of the incident should suffice when you make your written complaint to BAA.
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Old 11th Apr 2011, 16:03
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As BAA don't apparently give a toss about how the pax are treated as long as money can be extracted, I doubt that anything will happen. Even a reply is something I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for.

Although sent to Colin Marshall and marked 'personal' might work
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Old 11th Apr 2011, 18:51
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Colin Marshall. How very dare you. The best CEO in BA history IMO. Me thinks you mean the highly incompetent Colin Matthews CEO of BAA.He couldn't manage a walk round the block never mind a FTSE 100 company. I'll never forget his performance in front of the govt transport committee after the T5 opening. Mr. Marshall was a total difference of how to run a company.

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Old 11th Apr 2011, 19:30
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A Classic Colin Matthews story..

When he became a BA Director he decided to gatecrash our Ops conference (planned weeks before) and regaled us all with his history of firing staff at Ford.

Went down like a lead baloon.
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Old 11th Apr 2011, 20:48
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I've always found it amazing that some people (mainly men IMO ) get themselves into very high positions in large companies on the back of what? Colin Matthews is a good example it seems to me. He runs one of the most incompetent companies in this country, and what happened just before xmas 2010 at LHR typified this totally. To have a main runway at one of the most important five airports in the world out of action for 4 days was completely inexcusable. For him to then come onto national TV to say he wouldn't be taking his 500k bonus was complete arrogance. Mr. Matthews - just run the bloody airport well - its not difficult. His answer was to buy 50M worth of snow equipment in the middle of March!! The clever people in this world are proactive not reactive

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Real shame you didn't video it on your phone. Next time perhaps? I would still write in though. Good luck
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Old 12th Apr 2011, 11:12
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Sorry, I meant Matthews.

My thoughts on his and BAA's performance are basically libellous.
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Old 12th Apr 2011, 11:40
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Real shame you didn't video it on your phone. Next time perhaps?
There's almost certainly a special BAA by-law whcih prohibits this
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Old 12th Apr 2011, 13:15
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Farci is right

BAA Heathrow: FAQs: Filming, photography and recording
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Old 12th Apr 2011, 15:56
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I'm surprised that they haven't got complaining in writing a criminal offence. Probably because they haven't thought of it yet.
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Old 12th Apr 2011, 16:05
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We should all just accept that mobile phones in a tray with your loose change etc are as dangerous as toothpaste not in a plastic bag, a laptop still in a briefcase, or a belt still holding up your trousers.

The rules are there for our safety
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Old 12th Apr 2011, 19:12
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Juan Trip

Sorry, I meant Matthews.

My thoughts on his and BAA's performance are basically libellous.
I'll tell you what. That phrase they have at the top of their website is 'potentially' libellous.( Alledgably.)

Making every journey better.

Mmmmm. Jury out on that one I'm afraid
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Old 12th Apr 2011, 19:28
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Went through T5 security about 6 hours ago and had the most cheerfull people looking after the tray system and arches.

When asked if I had a laptop in my laptop lookalike bag, I explained no, it's a cpap machine. Oooohh, no problem sir just put it in the tray with the bag closed, and off she went to tell the person watching the xray screen it was coming through.
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Old 12th Apr 2011, 20:20
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Try going through LCY.
Makes BAA @ T5 look like the best and most polite security in the world!

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Old 12th Apr 2011, 22:37
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His answer was to buy 50M worth of snow equipment in the middle of March!! The clever people in this world are proactive not reactive.
Being pro-active is soooo last century. What has happened in the last 25 years is that people are paid for different reasons. Briefly ...

Then: Learn the business; Work your way up the company, learning from all and (hopefully) helping all; plan ahead and budget for worst case. If it doesn't happen - you were ready for it and the business ran smoothly. You got a bonus because nothing went wrong.

Now: Get a degree in 'management'; get posted into a company half way up so that you have no REAL WORKING knowledge of how the biz functions. Save money, cut back on routine maintenance - if it was done every month, make every other month; if it was 6 months, make it 9 etc. Keep a record of all the money that you save to impress the bosses. Move on. IF THE WORST HAPPENS WHILST YOU ARE STILL THERE then:-

Rush in and 'fix' it. Be there 24x7, sleeves rolled up to show the boss how hard you are working (the staff already know) then spend most of the money that you would have spent on planning and routine maintenance. Try to impress the shareholders/interested parties, how much you are spending so that 'this never happens again'. Make sure that everyone above you knows that it was you that fixed it and collect your bonus. Then move on quick.

Simples.
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Old 12th Apr 2011, 22:45
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Nothing compares to Security Staff in Atlanta...especially trained for your traveling pleasure by Ingrid and Hortense's House of Pain and Pancakes in Amsterdam.
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Old 13th Apr 2011, 07:08
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Pity about Atlanta. Haven't been through there since 1987: they were very friendly but did want to see what the big bottles were (large size olives - couldn't get them here). Then ended up with three of them chatting because they had relatives in the UK.

Copenhagen is a pain: Frankfurt somewhat less so. Nice is fine: they have this habit that as the queue grows, they open more gates! I think T5 shut them....
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Old 13th Apr 2011, 09:32
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The unsound thought that crossed my mind in T5 4 weeks ago was that if Profiling were ever introduced, and done properly, all the security staff would be selected for the exercise well before any of the passengers around at that time.

But we are not allowed to say such dreadful things, and so my lips are sealed.

I'm sure that they are recruited and checked out by BAA with enormous care, with a thorough investigation into every single person's background, rather like the MoD Positive Vetting process which took 6 months when I was PV'd. After all, I have worked for BAA and so I should know.

If not, the whole process would be rather futile, wouldn't it?
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Old 13th Apr 2011, 12:23
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Capot,

I am sure your tongue is very firmly stuck in your cheek!!!
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Old 26th Apr 2011, 21:11
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You do have to question why airport security exist. The obvious answer is to make flying safer. But how exactly? By preventing little old ladies from taking knitting needles onto aircraft? Seeing if six year old girls are carrying prohibited items on behalf of those they are travelling with? Or is to to force those with malicious intent to chose a more elaborate method to circumvent security procedures? The trouble is, until profiling is implemented as a security measure we will always be vulnerable to attack. The bad guys don't need much in the way of equipment or tools to do damage. All they need is intent, intelligence, knowledge, training and just a little but of luck. The gormless prats in security have proved time and time again that they haven't a clue what a terrorist looks like - just so long as he's not carrying a yoghurt of mass destruction they'll let him pass.

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