BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions V
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LD12986 - As a real self-loader, I admit to not knowing the detail. Looking at things at a general level, it seems to me that compromise has been given on both parties - something which Walsh has never done in his career.
Regardless, this is a real opportunity for BA to clean up their brand and move on. I fear this will be hard to achieve in the immediate future whilst both sides claim the pyrrhic victory.
What I will predict however, it will get alot quieter in this section of PPRuNe shortly!! Crew bashing might even stop to a trickle from now on!
Regardless, this is a real opportunity for BA to clean up their brand and move on. I fear this will be hard to achieve in the immediate future whilst both sides claim the pyrrhic victory.
What I will predict however, it will get alot quieter in this section of PPRuNe shortly!! Crew bashing might even stop to a trickle from now on!
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I understand that the VCC were asked to provide a stop-gap to help out, nothing more, but they must have put in a lot of effort and time to qualify to meet the standard, as well as keep the show on the road. Anyone else feel that it is a bit of a shame that they are apparently to be disbanded. Would it have been fair to offer some a shot at flying now and again just as a a bit of recognition. Would be in my book, but then again, I don't work for an airline.
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yes of course, your 'in the oil' aren't you as your first post says, having no other interest in BA etc.
yes, really. right. OkeyDokey.
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I find it remarkable that people who agree with your views, never have their integrity questioned. Yet when I come on and stick up for the minority, your only retort is that I must be a liar, cabin crew and a fraud.
Hmmmm.
When I say I work in the oil, I work in the oil - pal.
yes of course, your 'in the oil' aren't you as your first post says, having no other interest in BA etc.
yes, really. right. OkeyDokey.
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I find it remarkable that people who agree with your views, never have their integrity questioned. Yet when I come on and stick up for the minority, your only retort is that I must be a liar, cabin crew and a fraud.
Hmmmm.
When I say I work in the oil, I work in the oil - pal.
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I find it remarkable that people who agree with your views, never have their integrity questioned. Yet when I come on and stick up for the minority, your only retort is that I must be a liar, cabin crew and a fraud.
Hmmmm.
When I say I work in the oil, I work in the oil - pal.
Hmmmm.
When I say I work in the oil, I work in the oil - pal.
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Hi, In answer to your question, VCCs going, makes no difference to me sitting at home more often having not been rostered a flight because the VCCs were always extra crew and have not recently been rostered with E/F or WW. The lack of work is due to not enough part time being offered or taken up prior to the transfer of some of our routes to Mixed Fleet. I am optimistic that this is a short term problem and hopefully people will feel more secure now to take up these offers and it will, I hope, balance out. I hope so anyway!
As for the offer, I have not read it yet but have been told it is similar to what I had already signed, as I thought it would be, and I am therefore happy. I am happy it is all over but also sad that this situation ever happened and I do feel that it could have been handled better by WW.
I do note though that BA have got a lot of what they wanted. A new way of working with BASSA, less reps off-lined, less meetings with reps and the golden prise of an army of cheep labour which are, I hope, going to eventually get a few improvements to their pay and rostering but will save BA a huge amount of cash!!! So I feel BA are the winners in all this.
Hi, In answer to your question, VCCs going, makes no difference to me sitting at home more often having not been rostered a flight because the VCCs were always extra crew and have not recently been rostered with E/F or WW. The lack of work is due to not enough part time being offered or taken up prior to the transfer of some of our routes to Mixed Fleet. I am optimistic that this is a short term problem and hopefully people will feel more secure now to take up these offers and it will, I hope, balance out. I hope so anyway!
As for the offer, I have not read it yet but have been told it is similar to what I had already signed, as I thought it would be, and I am therefore happy. I am happy it is all over but also sad that this situation ever happened and I do feel that it could have been handled better by WW.
I do note though that BA have got a lot of what they wanted. A new way of working with BASSA, less reps off-lined, less meetings with reps and the golden prise of an army of cheep labour which are, I hope, going to eventually get a few improvements to their pay and rostering but will save BA a huge amount of cash!!! So I feel BA are the winners in all this.
Litebulbs - No, No, and No again. It isn't about just getting there. It is about service.
Take off your TU hat, and put on your SLF hat. All the reports on here and on Flyertalk have said two things. 1. Service consistency is bad at BA. Some flights are great, some are awful. 2. Service was so much better when the strikes were on. GG, BG, Hiflyer et al were able to deliver consistently better service when the strikes were on.
Whatever deal has been done must ensure that service is delivered excellently, every time, at each and every moment of truth. The managers must be improved to help CC deliver this, and CC must be free from bassa to deliver service, rather than worrying about their "rights".
Otherwise, this Pension fund with a little airline attached to it will go to the wall.
Take off your TU hat, and put on your SLF hat. All the reports on here and on Flyertalk have said two things. 1. Service consistency is bad at BA. Some flights are great, some are awful. 2. Service was so much better when the strikes were on. GG, BG, Hiflyer et al were able to deliver consistently better service when the strikes were on.
Whatever deal has been done must ensure that service is delivered excellently, every time, at each and every moment of truth. The managers must be improved to help CC deliver this, and CC must be free from bassa to deliver service, rather than worrying about their "rights".
Otherwise, this Pension fund with a little airline attached to it will go to the wall.
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I find it remarkable that people who agree with your views, never have their integrity questioned. Yet when I come on and stick up for the minority, your only retort is that I must be a liar, cabin crew and a fraud.
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At last. At the end of the day this deal isn't as good for cc as the one on offer before the first round of strikes to say nothing of what might have been were it not for the juvenile 'no negotiation' nonsense at a time when the rest of the company was pulling together to stay in business.
We all know the reason this dispute has finally been settled. Unite had nothing left except the hollow threat of a strike, BA were operating the way they wanted anyway, and WW moved up to IAG which enabled Unite to save face by blaming him whilst actually accepting a lesser deal
We all know the reason this dispute has finally been settled. Unite had nothing left except the hollow threat of a strike, BA were operating the way they wanted anyway, and WW moved up to IAG which enabled Unite to save face by blaming him whilst actually accepting a lesser deal
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I have just witnessed on TV the acts and antics of a group of people who, quite rightly, should be enjoying the fact that the dispute was over. But were the digs and childish rants and wolf masks meant to prove something? For me it was embarrassing that people who should have known better behave in this way. The only message anyone could get from their ridiculous line of underpants (again) and that "It is time for a snip Willie" shows that they are trying to gloat but have failed. Instead, the rabble, who never know when to stop proved that a serious dispute was the the farce that it was.
Its over folks. Thank Unite - because it wasn't BASSA who got the result. They weren't capable.
Its over folks. Thank Unite - because it wasn't BASSA who got the result. They weren't capable.
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I see this settlement as a very positive move for BA. It truly is a rather stunning display of how to neuter a dysfunctional union and it is obvious that Unite felt the need to contain BASSA and have cooperated with BA in solving the BASSA problem.
A diminished influence and a very diminished reputation. Legacy cabin crew, though trying to put on a game face and squeeze a win out of this, must be cringing inside.
Now perhaps BA can start working on elevating their service level without a "No" being declared at every turn.
Winner: BA, its employees and passengers.
Loser: BASSA and the PCCC.
A diminished influence and a very diminished reputation. Legacy cabin crew, though trying to put on a game face and squeeze a win out of this, must be cringing inside.
Now perhaps BA can start working on elevating their service level without a "No" being declared at every turn.
Winner: BA, its employees and passengers.
Loser: BASSA and the PCCC.
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BA have recruited a director from Jumeirah Group with the intention to improve the BA service and product offering. He is determined to focus on the customer experience and admits that 'too much cheese has been scraped off the pizza'.
There will be less focus on cost and more of a focus on improving the whole experience to put BA back amongst the leading airlines. Big improvements are on the way especially in areas such as catering.
The relaunch of the brand will see big changes over the next year. The dispute settlement allows this process to start. Exciting times ahead.
There will be less focus on cost and more of a focus on improving the whole experience to put BA back amongst the leading airlines. Big improvements are on the way especially in areas such as catering.
The relaunch of the brand will see big changes over the next year. The dispute settlement allows this process to start. Exciting times ahead.
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we don't seem to have had any real reports yet of what happened at todays meeting. did DH say anything?
remember that there are still 5800 BASSA members who have consistently voted for strikes.
if DH decides to make some statements about sacked staff not getting fair treatment, no real benefits in the new offer etc, and CC89 make statements/complaints about 1 union in future it is still possible for the new offer to be rejected totally.
this is not over yet.
from all that has gone before, i cannot see DH resigning yet, and his input could still have a great say on this matter. do you think he wants to give up the earnings/influence he has without a fight.
i doubt UNITE would want him on the payroll, as that would scupper any chance of this agreement working, so his only foreseeable income over the next months/years is his union stipend and expenses.
my reading of the facts we have at the moment is that this is a comprehensive win for BA, and a loss for PCCC.
however, if BASSA gets a rejection vote to the deal, PCCC can then come out into the open and shout from the rooftops. this is the only real chance they have to influence the future.
they may, of course, be able to get a majority at Gatwick and get recognition there; but that will again mean coming out into the open.
so, although it looks good at the moment for a settlement, we need to wait aand see how BASSA and CC89 react to this.
remember that there are still 5800 BASSA members who have consistently voted for strikes.
if DH decides to make some statements about sacked staff not getting fair treatment, no real benefits in the new offer etc, and CC89 make statements/complaints about 1 union in future it is still possible for the new offer to be rejected totally.
this is not over yet.
from all that has gone before, i cannot see DH resigning yet, and his input could still have a great say on this matter. do you think he wants to give up the earnings/influence he has without a fight.
i doubt UNITE would want him on the payroll, as that would scupper any chance of this agreement working, so his only foreseeable income over the next months/years is his union stipend and expenses.
my reading of the facts we have at the moment is that this is a comprehensive win for BA, and a loss for PCCC.
however, if BASSA gets a rejection vote to the deal, PCCC can then come out into the open and shout from the rooftops. this is the only real chance they have to influence the future.
they may, of course, be able to get a majority at Gatwick and get recognition there; but that will again mean coming out into the open.
so, although it looks good at the moment for a settlement, we need to wait aand see how BASSA and CC89 react to this.
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Uniteba?