TSA and the 'pat-down'; passengers rebelling
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Now if the PAX complains formally to the police afterwards about sexual assault, what then?
Will the US Justice system say that PAX can be sexually assaulted at the whim of the TSA?
Will the US Justice system say that PAX can be sexually assaulted at the whim of the TSA?
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From: Washington, D.C.
I heard on the radio that some people are able to "tip" TSA staff and get a less-aggressive pat-down. They fold a $10 bill so the 10 is showing, and hold it in front saying how much you appreciate all they are doing to increase air security. If they take it out of your hand, you should get better treatment. If they don't, then you won't.
I don't suggest trying this as I think there would be legal issues, but it is an interesting idea.
I don't suggest trying this as I think there would be legal issues, but it is an interesting idea.
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Could this latest US idiotic tactic be tested in a US court?
Yes we do need pax security, but applied professionally & with respect, consideration & tact, something which is totally lacking within the USA.It will serve them right when all pax who have any option to avoid travelling to or through the US, exercise it & just go somehwere else.
Yes we do need pax security, but applied professionally & with respect, consideration & tact, something which is totally lacking within the USA.It will serve them right when all pax who have any option to avoid travelling to or through the US, exercise it & just go somehwere else.
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From: south of Cirencester, north of Lyneham
3 or 4 years ago (maybe more), Colin Powell said in evidence to a Senate committee that the US had lost something around $35 billion because of people avoiding the country due to the hassle of the security measures.
The financial damage that the terrorists have inflicted has been enormous: I wonder if they planned that?
The financial damage that the terrorists have inflicted has been enormous: I wonder if they planned that?
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From: Yearning for sun and sea
" heard on the radio that some people are able to "tip" TSA staff and get a less-aggressive pat-down. They fold a $10 bill so the 10 is showing, and hold it in front saying how much you appreciate all they are doing to increase air security. If they take it out of your hand, you should get better treatment. If they don't, then you won't."
EBOY, careful some "feeler" might think that the $10 is for a slightly more robust touch up rather than the reverse!!
EBOY, careful some "feeler" might think that the $10 is for a slightly more robust touch up rather than the reverse!!
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From: Washington, D.C.
I do not suggest doing this. It's not my idea. As another poster suggested above, it could be misinterpreted as a request for more groping than usual. I heard it on a local DC radio station call-in show a couple of days ago. You know how those things are. I didn't hear the whole bit. Maybe it was a joke.
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From: East Midlands
It was rumoured years ago that a certain Middle East airport allowed ladies of a certain sexual orientation to do the pat downs on female passengers at airport security. They worked for nothing and got their fun. My heterosexual wife came out of the security area very ashen faced!
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I had a certain gentlemen run his hands inside the top of my trousers "searching for concealed weapons" no doubt. I think the dirty old b****** found what he was looking for as he showed no reaction as my eyes nearly popped out of my head.
I hard my self say "Steady on..." as the "don't get arrested" filter prevented my thoughts being uttered verbatum. God I hate flying....
I hard my self say "Steady on..." as the "don't get arrested" filter prevented my thoughts being uttered verbatum. God I hate flying....
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From: south of Cirencester, north of Lyneham
Baggersup
If there are so many tourists, why the need for a $15 charge for an ESTA 'to promote tourism'?
Colin was talking about the loss because of fewer students studying in the US, fewer transit PAX who spend a night in the US and the like, as well as tourists.
If there are so many tourists, why the need for a $15 charge for an ESTA 'to promote tourism'?
Colin was talking about the loss because of fewer students studying in the US, fewer transit PAX who spend a night in the US and the like, as well as tourists.
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From: Confoederatio Helvetica
If it was marketed outside the U.S. as an "easier" way to visit, then guess that comes under tourist promotion.
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From: UK
Rubber gloves
While on the subject of unreasonable TSA practices…
I resent the fact that the feeler-uppers and shoe handlers wear rubber gloves.
It might keep their hands clean but I sure don’t like the idea of them touching me up with gloves that have been used hundreds of times on dirty shoes, not to mention crotches.
Safety should be a two way street.
I resent the fact that the feeler-uppers and shoe handlers wear rubber gloves.
It might keep their hands clean but I sure don’t like the idea of them touching me up with gloves that have been used hundreds of times on dirty shoes, not to mention crotches.
Safety should be a two way street.
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From: Stafford uk
What about UK ?
It seems to be a bit unfair highlighting the TSA and the US over this. The pat down search only applies if you refuse a body image scan -in the UK you have apparently have no right to refuse the scan - and may still be physically searched afterwards.
From the Manchester Airport Web site
Following trials of “imaging technology” (also known as security scanners) in Terminal 2, Manchester Airport has now extended this enhanced security measure to Terminal 1 & Terminal 3.
Please note: From the 1st February 2010, additional Government legislation came into operation at this airport, which states that any passenger who refuses to use the scanner will be denied travel.
Link Here
Manchester Airport : Security Scanners Public Information
From the Manchester Airport Web site
Following trials of “imaging technology” (also known as security scanners) in Terminal 2, Manchester Airport has now extended this enhanced security measure to Terminal 1 & Terminal 3.
Please note: From the 1st February 2010, additional Government legislation came into operation at this airport, which states that any passenger who refuses to use the scanner will be denied travel.
Link Here
Manchester Airport : Security Scanners Public Information
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From the 1st February 2010, additional Government legislation came into operation at this airport, which states that any passenger who refuses to use the scanner will be denied travel.
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Saw this in the news:
An ExpressJet pilot refused to submit himself to a TSA full body scan, or pat down, while on his way to work. His personal decision complicated his relationship with his employer, brought a direct challenge to the authority of the TSA and raised Fourth Amendment issues that he hopes to address in a court of law.
An ExpressJet pilot refused to submit himself to a TSA full body scan, or pat down, while on his way to work. His personal decision complicated his relationship with his employer, brought a direct challenge to the authority of the TSA and raised Fourth Amendment issues that he hopes to address in a court of law.
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From: south of Cirencester, north of Lyneham
The rebellion is now suggesting everyone refuses the scan. I would have thought the real chaos would be to have a large number of pax refusing the scan, having the pat down, and then making an immediate formal complaint to the police about sexual assault. Imagine the situation at somewhere like ORD with 200 or 300 or more people complaining to the Chicago PD......
In the US system, would they have to investigate every complaint? With multiple complaints against a screener, would they be suspended?
In the US system, would they have to investigate every complaint? With multiple complaints against a screener, would they be suspended?