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Continued ash disruption throughout summer / rest of year?
How likely is it that continued volcanic activity in Iceland will disrupt air travel throughout the summer?
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Phew, at long last the CAA have been forced to get off their civil service a£ses & make a decision based on commercial common sense.
Hopefully there will be a sorting out of their hierarchy sooner rather than later. Maybe we'll also get a change of government.
Hopefully there will be a sorting out of their hierarchy sooner rather than later. Maybe we'll also get a change of government.
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It is practically impossible to predict the futrure behaviour of a volcano such as this in detail. Once an eruption starts we simply have to wait it out. Some possible guesses about the futrure can be gleaned from past behavior and in the case of this volcano, and the neighboring Katla, that past history is cause for concern.
- Peter.
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Friends of mine got out from LAX to LHR on BA on Tuesday, so some stuff is moving. Gonna be a long, long time to sort this out.
I see that, now that there is good news to announce, the politicians are climbing on the band wagon. There was an announcement by the Transport Secretary and others. Blah. Blah. Blah.
I see that, now that there is good news to announce, the politicians are climbing on the band wagon. There was an announcement by the Transport Secretary and others. Blah. Blah. Blah.
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Thanks for all your help
Thanks for all you help guys, it was very much appreciated. My son has not contacted BA directly but I am sure he will on his return. I was able to increase my over draft so he and his new wife should be OK now.
I am grateful that they are OK and in the US. I feel really sorry for those people with kids or special needs that are stranded. Just one quick rant. these people have been abandoned by the British Government, the EU and the Airlines. Those stranded do not generally have the ability to rescue themselves and rely on those who take their money or votes in the good times to come to their aid.
Learn you lesson well folks, remember who did what when you needed their help. As for Mr O'leary from Ryanair who said of those who were stranded that it was tough, I wonder if he would have stood at Calais and made those comments. I look forward to bumping into him some day in Dublin Airport. Thanks Again
I am grateful that they are OK and in the US. I feel really sorry for those people with kids or special needs that are stranded. Just one quick rant. these people have been abandoned by the British Government, the EU and the Airlines. Those stranded do not generally have the ability to rescue themselves and rely on those who take their money or votes in the good times to come to their aid.
Learn you lesson well folks, remember who did what when you needed their help. As for Mr O'leary from Ryanair who said of those who were stranded that it was tough, I wonder if he would have stood at Calais and made those comments. I look forward to bumping into him some day in Dublin Airport. Thanks Again
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Well I'm still stranded and hoping to get home tomorrow and have to comment on a few of those points.
Why people with children?
I was at SFO earlier today and the staff there were excellent!
They were operating a fair and equitable standby system that got as many people as possible in the air, some people with kids got to leave, some got to stay, There have been so many people using any excuse to jump the queue, be it kids, medical conditions, special circumstances, bribes.....
I met several families with (extremely well behaved and polite kids) and they had the same rights to repatriation as the rest of us, no more, no less.
UK PLC have been superb locally in San Fran. with net access, phone calls, tea and biccies, support, advice and emergency repatriations, just because the idiots at the top are using this to their own advantage, don't for a second forget the guys locally who are working their butts off to help us all get home.
My airline have been less helpful than they could but my travel agent (Trailfinders) have been excellent in supporting us while were here.
I do agree with the last point, I will be remembering who were exeptional and will be writing some letters when I (eventually) get home.
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Why people with children?
I was at SFO earlier today and the staff there were excellent!
They were operating a fair and equitable standby system that got as many people as possible in the air, some people with kids got to leave, some got to stay, There have been so many people using any excuse to jump the queue, be it kids, medical conditions, special circumstances, bribes.....
I met several families with (extremely well behaved and polite kids) and they had the same rights to repatriation as the rest of us, no more, no less.
UK PLC have been superb locally in San Fran. with net access, phone calls, tea and biccies, support, advice and emergency repatriations, just because the idiots at the top are using this to their own advantage, don't for a second forget the guys locally who are working their butts off to help us all get home.
My airline have been less helpful than they could but my travel agent (Trailfinders) have been excellent in supporting us while were here.
I do agree with the last point, I will be remembering who were exeptional and will be writing some letters when I (eventually) get home.
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The difference in attitudes to stranded people is becoming evident.
Go onto the Orlando Airport website and click on the section offering help to stranded Europeans. There you will find many offers of cheap accomodation, food, attractions etc all designed to make the enforced stay as bearable as possible.
Contrast that with the European attitude of seizing the opportunity to rip off everybody with sky high prices for everything.
Ten out of ten to the Americans !
Go onto the Orlando Airport website and click on the section offering help to stranded Europeans. There you will find many offers of cheap accomodation, food, attractions etc all designed to make the enforced stay as bearable as possible.
Contrast that with the European attitude of seizing the opportunity to rip off everybody with sky high prices for everything.
Ten out of ten to the Americans !
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Also, trying to help a friend stuck in Northern Italy at the start of the week, I was checking the websites of all the airports in her area, down to Rome and then to other intermediate points in Europe that might assist with a dog-leg journey home ...
NONE of the web sites had ANY information about the ash, or closures or advice. They just had the 'canx' notices on the display board relay. The UK airport websites - had special first pages with information and numbers. Not saying all continental European airports but all the ones in Italy, Spain and Portugal that I looked at.
NONE of the web sites had ANY information about the ash, or closures or advice. They just had the 'canx' notices on the display board relay. The UK airport websites - had special first pages with information and numbers. Not saying all continental European airports but all the ones in Italy, Spain and Portugal that I looked at.
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Its a Joke..
Courtesy of todays Telegraph...
laugh in the face of adversity
I see that America has declared war on Iceland. Apparently they are accusing them of harbouring a “weapon of ash eruption”.
It was the last wish of the Icelandic economy that its ashes be spread over Europe.
Iceland goes bankrupt, then it manages to set itself on fire. This has insurance scam written all over it.
Iceland, we wanted your cash, not your ash.
Waiter, there's volcanic ash in my soup. I know, it's a no-fly zone.
Richard Curtis is working on a new rom-com about people stuck in an airport who fall in love. The working title is "Lava Actually".
I came out my house yesterday and was hit on the head by a bag of frozen sausages, a chocolate gateau and some fish fingers. I realised it must be the fallout from Iceland.
Volcano in Iceland. What next Earthquake in Asda?
Woke this morning to find every surface in the house covered in a layer of dust and a foul stench of sulphur in the air. No change, I’ve been married to that bone-idle slob for 20 years.
It was the last wish of the Icelandic economy that its ashes be spread over Europe.
Iceland goes bankrupt, then it manages to set itself on fire. This has insurance scam written all over it.
Iceland, we wanted your cash, not your ash.
Waiter, there's volcanic ash in my soup. I know, it's a no-fly zone.
Richard Curtis is working on a new rom-com about people stuck in an airport who fall in love. The working title is "Lava Actually".
I came out my house yesterday and was hit on the head by a bag of frozen sausages, a chocolate gateau and some fish fingers. I realised it must be the fallout from Iceland.
Volcano in Iceland. What next Earthquake in Asda?
Woke this morning to find every surface in the house covered in a layer of dust and a foul stench of sulphur in the air. No change, I’ve been married to that bone-idle slob for 20 years.
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Contrast that with the European attitude of seizing the opportunity to rip off everybody with sky high prices for everything.
I'm not prepared to pay such exorbitant prices. It's very frustrating to think that the airlines in their greed are more inclined to fly with empty seats, than sell them at a fair fare and ensure the planes are all full for each trip.
Winch-control,
My favourite from a reader comment was:
What comes from Iceland and causes chaos at UK airports?
Bjork
and:
As Eyjafjallajokull erupts over Fimmvörduháls, spare a thought for dyslexics everywhere wishing it had been Etna.
Some, from Iceland were less droll:
Want to ask the British people an apology for any inconvenience we have caused, first we take your savings and now we mud all over you with ash! I know for sure that there is a rag collection in progress and every Icelander is making contribution! You will get them soon, wet in your face.
and:
This tells more about the Brits then Icelanders in my opinion. Only thing they are good for is to bully and cry about them selfs. self-centered.
Don't forget there are farmers that have lost there hope ,dreams and hole livelihood in this.
Clearly not aware of all the scrapped British trawlers then
My favourite from a reader comment was:
What comes from Iceland and causes chaos at UK airports?
Bjork
and:
As Eyjafjallajokull erupts over Fimmvörduháls, spare a thought for dyslexics everywhere wishing it had been Etna.
Some, from Iceland were less droll:
Want to ask the British people an apology for any inconvenience we have caused, first we take your savings and now we mud all over you with ash! I know for sure that there is a rag collection in progress and every Icelander is making contribution! You will get them soon, wet in your face.
and:
This tells more about the Brits then Icelanders in my opinion. Only thing they are good for is to bully and cry about them selfs. self-centered.
Don't forget there are farmers that have lost there hope ,dreams and hole livelihood in this.
Clearly not aware of all the scrapped British trawlers then
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Contrast that with the European attitude of seizing the opportunity to rip off everybody with sky high prices for everything.
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KLM publicly stated that it is their goal to have all stranded passengers back home before the end of the month
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Stranded
Stranded in Orlando with Virgin, was due to depart on the 21st, first available flight, 14th of May!!! Managed to get a flight from New York on the 4th of May. Travel insurance with AA is a joke, read through the small print and will not be able to claim anything.
On this side of the pond, we are being offered free entrance to Disney, Sea World etc. Just show our boarding cards and in we go. We are being labeled as the Stranded. Also large discounts at hotels and restaurants, opposite what i understand is happening in Euroland.
Back to reimbursed meals, fried everything and gallons of soda.
On this side of the pond, we are being offered free entrance to Disney, Sea World etc. Just show our boarding cards and in we go. We are being labeled as the Stranded. Also large discounts at hotels and restaurants, opposite what i understand is happening in Euroland.
Back to reimbursed meals, fried everything and gallons of soda.
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Does this statement by KLM also mention that they intend to fleece stranded passengers for every Euro they have left?
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There is a god
I was on the last flight from Singapore to Europe on Friday 16th April for a long weekend in Zurich. At Changi the flights to London, Copenhagen Amsterdam, Moscow and Houston were all cancelled, only Athens and Zurich flew that night.
Didn't give it much thought until Monday evening when I realised my return flight on Tuesday was not going to happen as the inbound flight was cancelled out of Singapore. Next morning down to the SQ city office in Zurich, being first in the queue at 9am opening.
Good news, all flights are cancelled until further notice but as an inbound traveller I was entitled to hotel accomodation and refuelling until I could be repatriated. No big deal they sent me off to the Crowne Plaza in Zurich where I was given a room and meal vouchers for breakfast lunch and dinner. I might add that I am an economy class passenger who bought a ticket 10 days earlier over the internet.
The food quality was excellent and the room, well it was the Crowne Plaza. Later that day I returned to the SQ city office for an update and was given a confirmed booking for Monday 26th April, but please stay in touch.
Wednesday morning I again pitched up at the office where I received the news that I may be on the Thursday flight back to Singapore. They had my 'phone number and email address and would confirm. About an hour later whilst riding the tram back to the hotel I picked up a call from the SQ office to confirm I would leave on Thursday.
I am pleased to report that after a 12.20pm departure from Kloten Airport we landed ahead of schedule at 5.40am in Changi. A short while later I was on the shuttle to Kuala Lumpur and back home.
Some folks have suffered, some are still suffering, but for some, well there is a god.
Didn't give it much thought until Monday evening when I realised my return flight on Tuesday was not going to happen as the inbound flight was cancelled out of Singapore. Next morning down to the SQ city office in Zurich, being first in the queue at 9am opening.
Good news, all flights are cancelled until further notice but as an inbound traveller I was entitled to hotel accomodation and refuelling until I could be repatriated. No big deal they sent me off to the Crowne Plaza in Zurich where I was given a room and meal vouchers for breakfast lunch and dinner. I might add that I am an economy class passenger who bought a ticket 10 days earlier over the internet.
The food quality was excellent and the room, well it was the Crowne Plaza. Later that day I returned to the SQ city office for an update and was given a confirmed booking for Monday 26th April, but please stay in touch.
Wednesday morning I again pitched up at the office where I received the news that I may be on the Thursday flight back to Singapore. They had my 'phone number and email address and would confirm. About an hour later whilst riding the tram back to the hotel I picked up a call from the SQ office to confirm I would leave on Thursday.
I am pleased to report that after a 12.20pm departure from Kloten Airport we landed ahead of schedule at 5.40am in Changi. A short while later I was on the shuttle to Kuala Lumpur and back home.
Some folks have suffered, some are still suffering, but for some, well there is a god.
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Bit late in the day but a couple of points in relation to earlier discussions.
Regulation 261 refers to all flights out of EU airports, and flights by EU carriers into EU airports.
Re priorities for repatriation, I believe a trick was missed. As well as care and assistance, the EU rules require financial compensation (€600 for longhaul) to be paid for bumped passengers. If airlines could have received assurances from their governments that these sums would be reimbursed, they could have rung around their locally booked passengers on the resumed flights asking if they would voluntarily delay their journey by a day or two in return for the statutory compensation. I'm sure very many of them would have been very happy to take the money and give up their seat.
Regulation 261 refers to all flights out of EU airports, and flights by EU carriers into EU airports.
Re priorities for repatriation, I believe a trick was missed. As well as care and assistance, the EU rules require financial compensation (€600 for longhaul) to be paid for bumped passengers. If airlines could have received assurances from their governments that these sums would be reimbursed, they could have rung around their locally booked passengers on the resumed flights asking if they would voluntarily delay their journey by a day or two in return for the statutory compensation. I'm sure very many of them would have been very happy to take the money and give up their seat.