BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions

[Final 3 Greens]

Just watched the video - what a heap of crap.

Also sent in message, suggesting they pull their finger out and start firing the militants.

[pvmw]

On a further note I used the address in the 'send a comment to the chairman' box, changing the standard UNISON message, to send a very supportive email to Mr Walsh asking him to keep going against BASSA. Thank you Unison.

I also have sent a message of support to BA, using the conveniently provided link.

I also wished to copy my e-mail to Unite but, strangely enough (or not) they do not actually publish on their web site an e-mail address.

[RTR]

The newspapers are really ALL against the unions today. Some very good arguments and answers therein.

I believe the end of this dispute is close now. The signs are all there. Unite using words like "its a disgrace" when they cannot think of anything else to say. And with Unite having some infighting going on in regard to the coming elections for Gen Sec when Woodley and Simpson go, they are desperate to avoid collateral damage within. McCluskey has his head below the parapet because he dare not get involved now - its far too critical for him.

Then there is BASSA up its nasty, devious and oft times petty and pathetic tricks demonstrating all that is wrong with unions when they cannot offer a coherent reason for their actions but instead make silly little films and statements that beaten people always make, and everyone now sees through. And when did the dispute become IA against the withdrawal of perks like ST and re-reinstatement of the rogues who tried to take advantage of their positions to denigrate BA to their own ends.

This is a time for the CC to end this farce that BASSA started. Started in an attempt to break BA by any means including alienating its passengers. A VERY bad and stupid thing to do.

There are clearly now more cabin crew against any IA than there are for it and its time not to just shout at BASSA but to resign NOW, this minute, in the next hour. If you don't they will try to lead you to destruction. However, from the tone of some of their current thinking and actions they already know that the game is over and that they having nothing left. If the appeal goes against them tomorrow that IS the end and Unite will have to tell them they cannot any longer count on their support.

Willie Walsh will NOT give in and he WILL do whatever it takes to make BA great again. I suspect he will also forgive some of the staff - not all - because the trouble makers should go and he should first sever the link between LHR and LAX so that the so called Chairman of BASSA must pay her own air fare. Then issue warnings to the Mr Stott and other militants that their days are numbered over their vicious actions against the company.

I really do hope that the appeal judges will hold the injunction.

[Snas]

I believe the end of this dispute is close now. The signs are all there. Unite using words like "its a disgrace" when they cannot think of anything else to say. And with Unite having some infighting going on in regard to the coming elections for Gen Sec when Woodley and Simpson go, they are desperate to avoid collateral damage within.

Lets not forget that Simpson has already made his view clear when calling some BASSA reps "clowns" and cabin drew thinking they were going to win this "deluded".

[Mariner9]

An amusing contribution from an (alleged) CC member on the Sky news website:

I have been a BA cabin crew member for 3 years now and a proud member of Unite for just as long. BA customers are some of the most ill mannered complaining lot i have ever dealt with in my life. Big deal if you flight to wherever is cancelled!!! At the end of the day we, The cabin crew, deserve a heck of alot better treatment and conditions than what we currently get!

Sack Willie walsh, Increase the cabin crew wage, Reinstate my sacked colleagues immediatly along with our travel perks and lets get this strike over and done with!

ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE WEASEL WILLIE!!!

[Winch-control]

Two to rub together?

Sack Willie walsh, Increase the cabin crew wage, Reinstate my sacked colleagues immediatly along with our travel perks and lets get this strike over and done with!

ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE WEASEL WILLIE!!!

Yep and what is the other brain cell doing? Springs to mind......

[oggers]

Then there is BASSA up its nasty, devious and oft times petty and pathetic tricks demonstrating all that is wrong with unions when they cannot offer a coherent reason for their actions but instead make silly little films and statements that beaten people always make, and everyone now sees through. And when did the dispute become IA against the withdrawal of perks like ST and re-reinstatement of the rogues who tried to take advantage of their positions to denigrate BA to their own ends.

Yep, that's a fair characterisation of the BASSA approach.

6 months since the union's '12 days of christmas' farce, instead of coherent and substantial reasons that would justify a strike all we have heard from the pro-strikers are a series of inconsistent and wholly unconvincing grievances that add up to a load of waffle.

[oggers]

Guardian still struggling with facts of the case...

Helen Pidd of the Guardian reports that "81% of BA staff voted for the industrial action". But as a mere 70% of the union voted, and many cc are no longer BASSA members, that 81% is almost certainly less than 50% of cabin crew. But she probably knows that really.

[Snas]

Oggers:

But she probably knows that really.

Not necessarily, why not write to her and advise her of the facts of the matter. She may have just cut and pasted something from some release somewhere, which is what seems to happen most of the time these days..!

I seethe and the constant reference to “50 staff suspended for striking” despite the fact that 20 are already back at work and none were suspended “for striking”.

It’s best to avoid the papers these days really, all too easy to get angry I find… TV aint much better either for that matter.

[ChicoG]

Unite using words like "its a disgrace" when they cannot think of anything else to say.

... and "macho"....

[Ten West]

Originally Posted by Oldflyboy

On a further note I used the address in the 'send a comment to the chairman' box, changing the standard UNISON message, to send a very supportive email to Mr Walsh asking him to keep going against BASSA. Thank you Unison.

That's one from me too. Asking that he deals with them by way of a P45 before they screw up yet more people's travel plans.
Isn't it kind of the union to provide us a pre-prepared email that we can simply edit? Much easier to express our opinions to Mr Walsh this way. See? They are good for something after all.

[footster]

I find it a little bit hard to understand maybe I am being thick but BA are losing millions and eventually it will have to come to a stop then where will the employees be then. And going on strike is only adding to the losses whilst at the sametime I can understand their frustrations but surely there needs tobe a compromise because after all BA use far more cabin crew per flight and they are paid more than most other airlines. With the economic situation at the moment most may not have a job to go back to.

[Final 3 Greens]

I find it a little bit hard to understand maybe I am being thick but

Have you considered that it may not be you who is thick?

[rossbox]

As a employee at Manchester airport I have seen what companys will do to lower there costs and I support the crews they have a right to protect there conditions etc.

[Ten West]

Have a read through all the previous posts on the subject then see if you feel the same way.

[Hand Solo]

An illuminating comment from a BASSA member:

My partner is with VS and someone on the forum asked if VS was busy, my partner operated the HKG this week, absolutely chocker and my Mum is a business travel agent and she said most VS flights are sold out. That says it all. I think one person is doing a good job of driving our revenue else where?

My bold. They really do believe they bear no responsibility for their actions.

[ChicoG]

Unite members will travel in an open top double decker bus through the City of London shortly before the court decision is announced, and the union said it wanted to warn the airline's top investors that BA chief executive Willie Walsh was playing "fast and loose" with their money.

Someone needs to remind these idiots that Walsh has the full backing of the board and the city in excising the BASSA tumour.

"Malevolent Union" ring any bells?

[ChicoG]

You're right. They believe for example that their union offered cuts worth 140 million. They have not been told that these were proven false.

They believe they have always been "available for negotiation".

You have to be pretty dumb to swallow all this horse !!!!!.

[oggers]

I think the decision will most likely go the union's way but that isn't such a bad thing. WW will just go ahead break the strike.

[PPRuNe Pop]

The appeal court has voted in favour of Unite.