BA CC have done it again
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From: 65,000 ft and counting
I know there has been talk of wet-leasing on the main CC forum, and I know no-one knows much at the moment, but can anyone give some sort of speculation as to what will happen with the 747 routes?
I'm flying LAX to LHR then on to NCL on March 10th/11th and having booked prior to the ballot announcement I'm at 65000 feet and counting wondering if the flights will go ahead. I'll bring sandwiches if it means we fly!
I'm flying LAX to LHR then on to NCL on March 10th/11th and having booked prior to the ballot announcement I'm at 65000 feet and counting wondering if the flights will go ahead. I'll bring sandwiches if it means we fly!
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From: UK
Don't think TightSlot works for BA, thought it was a charter.
I still cannot fathom why anybody would put themselves into a position of stress over this. This 'farce' (BA industrial relations) has been going on since the place was privatised and probably long before then. Periods of plenty just mean't the staff were able to be bought off, profits being distributed to them instead of the shareholders, times have changed and that isn't going happen now. This is how legacy airlines have always been run of course...
Certainly the cabin crew strike has been on the cards for the past twelve months and if you booked in that period you took your chances. I booked BA in that period and did it knowing full well I could lose that flight and it didn't cause me one bit of stress at all.
If the cabin crew 'lose' then the next group to be taken on will have to be the pilots. If the pilots 'lose' then it will be ground staff. If either groups 'win' then BA are stuffed, probably stuffed anyway.
So if you are prone to suffer stress then you really shouldn't be booking flights on BA four months in advance for the forseeable future.
I still cannot fathom why anybody would put themselves into a position of stress over this. This 'farce' (BA industrial relations) has been going on since the place was privatised and probably long before then. Periods of plenty just mean't the staff were able to be bought off, profits being distributed to them instead of the shareholders, times have changed and that isn't going happen now. This is how legacy airlines have always been run of course...
Certainly the cabin crew strike has been on the cards for the past twelve months and if you booked in that period you took your chances. I booked BA in that period and did it knowing full well I could lose that flight and it didn't cause me one bit of stress at all.
If the cabin crew 'lose' then the next group to be taken on will have to be the pilots. If the pilots 'lose' then it will be ground staff. If either groups 'win' then BA are stuffed, probably stuffed anyway.
So if you are prone to suffer stress then you really shouldn't be booking flights on BA four months in advance for the forseeable future.
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From: Clarty Waters, UK
The problem with CC is that they (or at least their union) have bitterly resisted over many years any attempt to reform the way they work. They are the last unreformed group of employees within BA and have shown no serious intent of sitting down with BA and agreeing to modernise their working practices. That's why they, specifically, and uniquely within BA need to be "taken on".
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From: SALISBURY
Request for assistance.
I hope that this comment will survive the mods iron fist. It is not a winge, it is a request for help & advice.
Will someone please explain to me why I should stay with BA? My wife & myself had our Christmas flights threatened by CC IA & we are now due to fly to TPA 4 March in seats booked nearly a year ago (J class upgrade with BA miles). Yet again we aren't allowed to book with another carrier without additional expense & inconvenience, not that anyone else flys direct from the UK. Do we just have to wait at the behest of those wonderfully helpful & customer focussed CC members of Bassa?
If anyone has any helpful, & polite, suggestions, they will be much appreciated.
Finally a special thanks a million to those Bassa
s!
Will someone please explain to me why I should stay with BA? My wife & myself had our Christmas flights threatened by CC IA & we are now due to fly to TPA 4 March in seats booked nearly a year ago (J class upgrade with BA miles). Yet again we aren't allowed to book with another carrier without additional expense & inconvenience, not that anyone else flys direct from the UK. Do we just have to wait at the behest of those wonderfully helpful & customer focussed CC members of Bassa?
If anyone has any helpful, & polite, suggestions, they will be much appreciated.
Finally a special thanks a million to those Bassa
s!
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From: UK
fincastle84 - You've been all over the CC forum thread like a rash for several weeks now: Please don't come in here and post all innocent, as if this is your first time and you're seeking advice - you've been happy enough to dispense it for long enough, resulting in numerous deletions and other sanctions being taken against you.
There is, at the present time, no answer to your question - you are just trolling, and we're not in the mood!
There is, at the present time, no answer to your question - you are just trolling, and we're not in the mood!
Paxing All Over The World
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From: Hertfordshire, UK.
Avman
I think the original reference is that some ground staff and flight crew have been trained in CABIN CREW duties and on more than one type.
BA intend to use these staff to crew some flights and also to use office staff to back fill ground roles and some, presumably, also on CC duties, with suitable training.
Quote: The pilots and ground staff have been trained to operate both the 777 and the airbus fleet
Ground staff is one thing but pilots trained to fly both Boeing and Airbus (I take it that you mean jumping from one to the other); surely not? That might be another good reason to avoid BA then!
Ground staff is one thing but pilots trained to fly both Boeing and Airbus (I take it that you mean jumping from one to the other); surely not? That might be another good reason to avoid BA then!
BA intend to use these staff to crew some flights and also to use office staff to back fill ground roles and some, presumably, also on CC duties, with suitable training.
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From: Sussex,UK
Sorry, I should have made that clearer. F3G and PAXboy are correct. Some of our pilots and ground staff have been trained to operate as cabin crew if the threatened strike action should take place and it was to this that I was referring.
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Jsl
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From: Scotland
Extra Expenses
We are due to Pond Hop on the 2nd Mar from Scotland. I have elected to fly down earlier (28th) in the hope that the long haul will go, however it has cost ; over £100 (taxes and hotels).
Anything else I can do to help my chances of getting to the US ??
Cy
Anything else I can do to help my chances of getting to the US ??
Cy
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From: UK
Once BA had a LO-CO called GO. If they had let it grow and grow it could have taken the place of BA which could have just withered away. Then they could have re-named GO as---let's see--I know BA !!
Seriously why don't they do it again ? Side step all their problems.
Seriously why don't they do it again ? Side step all their problems.
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From: SALISBURY
4t2b
You'll be fine on the 2nd March. The strike hasn't yet been called & when called Bassa have to give 7 days notice. e.g. If they call the strike on 25 Feb at their meeting then the earliest day the strike can commence is either 3 or 4 March.
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From: Chedburgh, Bury St.Edmunds
Today is the day of decision, I believe. Due to go to Brazil on the 13th March. I won't post on CC website, but if any BA CC who voted for strike,then please read these few facts.
1.Strike will drive customers away.2. You will then have overcapacity in aircraft and staff.3.Costs outweigh income.4.Airline goes bust.5.You don't have a CC job anymore.5.You don't have ANY job anymore.6. You will have the satisfaction that you brought it on yourselves!!.7.WAKE UP!!!
1.Strike will drive customers away.2. You will then have overcapacity in aircraft and staff.3.Costs outweigh income.4.Airline goes bust.5.You don't have a CC job anymore.5.You don't have ANY job anymore.6. You will have the satisfaction that you brought it on yourselves!!.7.WAKE UP!!!
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From: on the beach
I know someone who flew BA on the day of the hearing in court about the legitimacy of a strike.
Two short haul routes were she encountered the kind of service BA wouldn't want to put their name to.
I was once a proud gold card holder but saw the winds of change a long, long time ago and switched carriers. Let the CC strike, let's face it, it is the right of every union card holder to do so. When the airline goes down the pan as a result of it, will they feel they have made their point?
Two short haul routes were she encountered the kind of service BA wouldn't want to put their name to.
I was once a proud gold card holder but saw the winds of change a long, long time ago and switched carriers. Let the CC strike, let's face it, it is the right of every union card holder to do so. When the airline goes down the pan as a result of it, will they feel they have made their point?
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From: Chedburgh, Bury St.Edmunds
If I could have switched carriers, I probably would have done [with great reluctance]. Always been satisfied with long haul. However, am picking up a cruise, and therefore didn't have a choice. Fingers crossed!!.
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Always been satisfied with long haul
On long haul, the service is always acceptable and often much better than that.
I find that some other carriers have better product and sometimes service, but BA is a safe choice (apart from strikes.)
Short haul seems subject to being dumped at the first sign of disruption and the Club Eiurope business class is mediocre compared to others, e.g. Air Malta.
Flew BA from RUH to LHR yesterday, a very good trip with great service and KM from LHR to home - juice before take off, 2 sets of hot towels, aperitif service, decent hot meal, full open bar service, regular top ups for everyone and generally attentive crew.
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From: SALISBURY
Potential strike deferred
No date has been announced for the commencement of a strike. The Kempton meeting is now finished. Talks will continue between Unite & BA.
Common sense seems to be breaking out.
Common sense seems to be breaking out.
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From: SALISBURY
Cy
You're most welcome. I have a vested interest in this as we are slotted for LGW-TPA on March 4. I think (fingers crossed) that we'll now be ok. Don't care about coming back, that's BA's problem.
Have a good trip.
Have a good trip.