Xmas Day DTW Bomber - Security Woes Thread
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Xmas Day DTW Bomber - Security Woes Thread
Has anyone flown to the USA recently who can explain just what happens on the final hour of the flight when you are not allowed to move from your seat due to the new security restrictions?
Can you read a book or a newspaper for example or does everything have to be stowed away?
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Can you read a book or a newspaper for example or does everything have to be stowed away?
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Belted up, seat up, tray up, cr*ap stowed under seat in front.
Nothing said about reading a paper or water.
That was BA early Boxing day.
TBH I thought it was bc of bad Wx rather than security.
Nothing said about reading a paper or water.
That was BA early Boxing day.
TBH I thought it was bc of bad Wx rather than security.
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Position of seat makes all the difference to terrorism.
Flat bed in Biz or First = possibility of terrorist action
Seat up = no threat
Obvious really.
Only real way to deal with this is 24 hour interrogation with waterboarding and similar of the pilot before plane takes-off
For some reason the US remains off my list of destinations.
Flat bed in Biz or First = possibility of terrorist action
Seat up = no threat
Obvious really.
Only real way to deal with this is 24 hour interrogation with waterboarding and similar of the pilot before plane takes-off
For some reason the US remains off my list of destinations.
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Is it also true that on some flights there has been no IFE, as engineers are unable to isolate the moving map, in other words all or nothing? Personally I find the moving map very interesting. Has this now gone forever?
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If the moving map has been removed permanently (anyone know if that is even practicable?) then that really is a great shame. A lot of passengers find it very interesting.
Are we ever going to get security right? Or must we always have this knee-jerk reaction? People try to use liquids as a bomb, so we impose a 100ml restriction on liquids and all the chaos that ensues. Someone tries to cause an explosion before landing, so we're now going to insist that the cabin is prepared for landing one hour before arrival with all the inconvenience that creates?
Are we ever going to get security right? Or must we always have this knee-jerk reaction? People try to use liquids as a bomb, so we impose a 100ml restriction on liquids and all the chaos that ensues. Someone tries to cause an explosion before landing, so we're now going to insist that the cabin is prepared for landing one hour before arrival with all the inconvenience that creates?
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Bin Laden and his pals must be laughing so loud. The USA allows a flight:
- Nigeria/AMS/USA with no intermediate checks
- The Advanced Pax Info proved to be useless
- They were warned about the pax - by his own father (who could ignore that?)
- He fails in his task
- So they make a million pax suffer.
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If the moving map has been removed permanently (anyone know if that is even practicable?) then that really is a great shame. A lot of passengers find it very interesting.
The single carry on luggage item should help though as the terrorist will never think to move his weapons of choice from the item he now has to check-in.
One day someone will figure out that succesful security is about profiling the passenger not the incline of his seat.
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Please tell me it isn't true that the map has been removed. I mean this is bolleau isn't it? 
As mainintheback implies, our terrorist is going to have eyes isn't he? Even if there's cloud cover, descent from the cruise is noticeable even to blind Tangos!
Oh, it's been figured out alright. The trouble is, no-one has the balls to implement it. 
As mainintheback implies, our terrorist is going to have eyes isn't he? Even if there's cloud cover, descent from the cruise is noticeable even to blind Tangos!
One day someone will figure out that succesful security is about profiling the passenger not the incline of his seat.
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Sadly it's another set of examples of being seen to "do something". And, of course, a minor 'success' for terrorists by imposing further inconvenience and costs.
So now any intended terrorist will simply detonate [or whatever] at ETA -1 hour. He probably has a watch, so he doesn't actually need the moving map anyway. That's a giant step forward for airline security.
The 'seats upright' is, I guess, to make it easier for the cabin crew to notice unusual activity during the last hour. Which is fine if the intent is to drop the aircraft onto a city. If not, it makes no difference to security at all.
As several of you have said, the answer lies in more aggressive profiling before boarding ... and, of course, making effective use of the information already available on certain passengers.
PS - I'm a white British Anglo-Saxon Protestant, I'm over 60 and have little need for 72 virgins. Can I move to the front of the queue please?
So now any intended terrorist will simply detonate [or whatever] at ETA -1 hour. He probably has a watch, so he doesn't actually need the moving map anyway. That's a giant step forward for airline security.
The 'seats upright' is, I guess, to make it easier for the cabin crew to notice unusual activity during the last hour. Which is fine if the intent is to drop the aircraft onto a city. If not, it makes no difference to security at all.
As several of you have said, the answer lies in more aggressive profiling before boarding ... and, of course, making effective use of the information already available on certain passengers.
PS - I'm a white British Anglo-Saxon Protestant, I'm over 60 and have little need for 72 virgins. Can I move to the front of the queue please?
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I guess like me you have sufficient experience to know that women who know exactly what to do are a much better proposition. 
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Spotty M - you sure the skipper will actually be able to mention the destination in announcements? And will we all have our watches confiscated so that we can't take an educated guess at which landmass we are cruising over?
Like many others who have posted, I will be doing all that I can to avoid routes to the US. You just couldn't make half of this enhanced security nonsense up!
Like many others who have posted, I will be doing all that I can to avoid routes to the US. You just couldn't make half of this enhanced security nonsense up!
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I much enjoy being in the USA [well, VA], and will be there again in the Spring.
But ... they flap, aimlessly an with minimal real effect. US Immigration has improved [a bit] but outbound 'security' remains a farce due to a simple inability of staff at Dulles to 'administer'. A separate queue/line for 'priority pax' [Club and First] doesn't achieve anything if you all end up shovelled to the same disorganised focus point. At which point, anything can happen
But, hey, LHR T5 is no better anyway: it must have been 30 minutes through "fast track" security the last time. And that included delay caused by an irate pax throwing stuff at the Sy staff to put on the belt. If I'd been closer, I might have hit him.
But ... they flap, aimlessly an with minimal real effect. US Immigration has improved [a bit] but outbound 'security' remains a farce due to a simple inability of staff at Dulles to 'administer'. A separate queue/line for 'priority pax' [Club and First] doesn't achieve anything if you all end up shovelled to the same disorganised focus point. At which point, anything can happen
But, hey, LHR T5 is no better anyway: it must have been 30 minutes through "fast track" security the last time. And that included delay caused by an irate pax throwing stuff at the Sy staff to put on the belt. If I'd been closer, I might have hit him.
Do you think that the US authorities have considered operating aircraft without any pax at all on board, there you have eliminated the threat at a stroke!
Yes, unfotunately a sensible & professional level of security is needed these days & the US has certainly suffered some horrific events, but this latest knee jerk reaction will do very little I feel to improve things.
Yes, unfotunately a sensible & professional level of security is needed these days & the US has certainly suffered some horrific events, but this latest knee jerk reaction will do very little I feel to improve things.
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this latest knee jerk reaction will do very little I feel to improve things.
US overturns last-hour air seat restriction | The Australian
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