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Old 29th Dec 2009, 20:09
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Canada to US. NO carry on bags allowed

New security measures, which were added in response to an alleged terrorist attempt on Christmas Day, remain in effect.

In addition to regular luggage inspections, passengers can expect a mandatory pat-down and an additional hand search of their personal property at the boarding gate.

All U.S.-bound guests are also advised that they cannot bring any carry-on baggage, with the following exceptions:
  • Small purses, diaper bags
  • Cameras
  • Coats
  • Laptop computers
  • Crutches, canes and walkers
  • Containers with life-sustaining items
  • Medication or medical devices
  • Musical instruments
Wheeled bags are prohibited and existing restrictions for liquids, aerosols and gels are still in effect.

A release from Transport Canada suggests the zero carry-on policy will last for "several days."

Will these restrictions be extended to other routes?
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That's my holiday to the US cancelled then. We were going to stop off on the way back from Canada later on in the year. I don't think I'll bother now.

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In The Public Eye

Which security outfit is going to insist on searching underneath the voluminous garb of certain groups of passengers? Or is that not PC?

I think we should be told!

(That's enough PC nonsense: Ed.)

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I have no problem with traveling in a paper bathrobe, with all my stuff checked, and my clothes checked, and my glasses held in escrow by that cabin attendant with the fuzzy face. PROVIDED the airline doesn't tell me on arrival that my Armani and Nikon and Rolex have got thiefrowed.

I don't think checking pro cameras or laptops is really an option anymore, with a 1% "loss" rate on luggage per flight, anyone taking 10 trips a year (20 flights) is basically uninsurable.

The issues with carry-ons are a direct result of the refusal of the airlines to deal with the unreliability of the checked luggage pipeline.

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How exactly does a ban on carry on bags stop a bomber who hides explosives on his body? Am I missing something?

Do you have a source for this story?
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This is on the web site of the CBC, FWIW CBC News - Canada - Carry-on baggage subject to strict new rules
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Neptunus Rex: The guy's underwear has been on TV this evening. Basically, it looks like he stuffed the explosive right down the front. 80 grams isn't even the difference between a large and small "package". Short of having every passenger's crotch sniffed by dogs, or stripping everybody naked, this is not going to be detected by any airport security that people are willing to undergo.
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aircanada.com - Baggage Travel Advisory


Travel Advisory: Air Canada and Jazz provide the following update for flights from Canada to the United States

MONTREAL December 28, 2009 -- Air Canada and Jazz remind customers that due to new security measures imposed by Canadian and U.S. government authorities on flights from Canada to the U.S., there are strict limits in effect for carry-on articles allowed in the cabin.

Air Canada advises passengers that the new regulations permit only a single carry-on item and recommends customers consult Transport Canada guidelines at Update to Security Measures - Backgrounders - Backgrounders, Reports and Info Sheets - Media Room - Transport Canada for details on permissible carry-on items such as a small purse, laptop computer or infant care items.

To accommodate customers travelling to the U.S., Air Canada is waiving excess baggage charges for checked baggage on a temporary basis for U.S.-bound customers travelling from Canada. Customers will be permitted to check up to three items of baggage at no additional charge until further notice.

Customers can continue to expect delays on U.S.-bound flights. Northbound flights from the U.S. to Canada are also being impacted due to late inbound aircraft. Customers can also expect potential delays on domestic and international flights due to airport congestion and delayed aircraft.

Air Canada recommends passengers travelling to the U.S. from Canada check the status of their flight before going to the airport and arrive early for their flight in order to allow adequate time for additional personal searches. Under new rules enacted by Transport Canada and the U.S. Transportation Security Administration, passengers and their carry-on allowance will be strictly limited and subject to full searches at airport screening points.

"We appreciate the cooperation and understanding of our customers during this challenging time and ask them to assist us in getting them to their destination faster by bringing as little carry-on as possible," said Duncan Dee, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer. "Air Canada is doing everything it can to maintain its schedule, despite the delays caused by security screening issues outside its control. However, our number one priority remains the safety and security of our customers and staff."

Due to heavy volumes customers may find response times are longer than normal at call centres. Customers should check the status of their flight at Air Canada: Flights, Airline Tickets / Vols, Billets d'avion.
 
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CTV British Columbia- RCMP aiding in airport security, carry-on ban continues - CTV News, Shows and Sports -- Canadian Television
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Not implemented for the TSA:

The purpose of this is to alleviate the immediate pressures at the security checkpoint resulting directly from the temporary emergency measures...
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That's my holiday to the US cancelled then. We were going to stop off on the way back from Canada later on in the year. I don't think I'll bother now.

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You'd cancel a holiday because you have to put your hand bags in the hold for one sector?

That's a "knee a jerkin'" if ever I saw one!!!
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Nope, just cancel a stop off on the way home. I cannot be bothered with stupid and unnecessary security hassles. You get enough of them when you are at work.

Getting into the US is an utter pain in the proverbial anyway, this just makes it worse.
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Detroit bomber a set-up

Here is some insight into the truth.......

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One extra aggravation is all it takes to just not bother. We boated to the Bahamas every year and went through all the crap to clear when arriving there. 15 years ago US customs refused to mail us a customs sticker to reenter the US because they didn't want to pay 37 cents for the postage even though the silly sticker would cost me 50.00. Would have to spend most of a day driving there, waiting in line and returning if we went so haven't been back since. They saved 37 cents and we saved thousands. I hope a lot of passengers cancel air travel until this nonsense stops. If they want to step up gate security, fine, but can you imagine what is going to happen when the captain says in 20 minutes everyone needs to be seated until we reach the gate? Even if you don't have to go you will be in a very long line for the lav. When the one hr call happens are the FA's going to make the ten people at the back of the line return to their seats? A lot of soiled seats is my prediction.
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Sorry but the only answer to this, as un-politically correct as it, is profiling.

It will have to happen.
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Old 29th Dec 2009, 23:20
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When the one hr call happens are the FA's going to make the ten people at the back of the line return to their seats? A lot of soiled seats is my prediction
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You will be relieved to know, as reported in Passengers and SLF

US overturns last-hour air seat restriction | The Australian
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Old 29th Dec 2009, 23:56
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The American Airlines announcement about this is slightly different:

Important Information Regarding Carry-On Baggage From Canada To The U.S.

The Canadian government is limiting carry-on baggage to one per passenger for all departures from Canada to the U.S. Examples include but are not limited to: one purse or one laptop bag or one briefcase or one backpack. The Canadian government is not allowing any roller board bags, therefore laptops must be placed in the "personal item" not in a roller board bag. There is no baggage charge for bags that were originally intended for carry-on while this policy is in place.

Note: All international passengers traveling to the U.S. should check in 3 hours prior to departure.
This makes it sound like a briefcase, backpack, laptop-and-accessories bag, etc, is OK. One has to bear in mind that some people, many of them in the USA, travel with very much larger bags that they still hope to carry on, easily up to 45L size roller bag. Europeans just don't travel with such large bags on a widespread basis, not least because they will run into some airport or airline staff who just won't accept them often enough to discourage the idea.
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Don't they need to address the question of how someone apparently on watch-lists was able to fly to the US in the first place? Or am I being naive?
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Don't they need to address the question of how someone apparently on watch-lists was able to fly to the US in the first place? Or am I being naive?
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