More interesting take offs and landings?
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More interesting take offs and landings?
Hi all,
Was discussing a few of my more interesting flights with a mrs shalo and we were wondering what were some of your more interesting take offs or landings?
Mine is take off at JHB in a third world aircraft, hear a big bang at +/- 2500ft followed by several seconds of lost altitude..... thrust goes max and we then gained altitude normally. The pilot/CC never informed us of what had happened and we continued an uneventfull flight!!! That was 16 years ago and still remember the feeling like it was yesterday!!
Mrs shalo recons her worst is landing in Milan in heavy fog, couldn't see the RWY untill they were down on it.... she tells me that milan is interesting at the best of times with all the mountains around... but in fog!!!!
What are your fun flights then???
Was discussing a few of my more interesting flights with a mrs shalo and we were wondering what were some of your more interesting take offs or landings?
Mine is take off at JHB in a third world aircraft, hear a big bang at +/- 2500ft followed by several seconds of lost altitude..... thrust goes max and we then gained altitude normally. The pilot/CC never informed us of what had happened and we continued an uneventfull flight!!! That was 16 years ago and still remember the feeling like it was yesterday!!
Mrs shalo recons her worst is landing in Milan in heavy fog, couldn't see the RWY untill they were down on it.... she tells me that milan is interesting at the best of times with all the mountains around... but in fog!!!!
What are your fun flights then???
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Got a few ...
Two flights in particular come into my mind. First, typhoon signal 8 in Hong Kong. Still the old Kai Tak airport at that time. CX 744 approach from the mountain side. Really bumpy all the way down to the final turn. Then wind shear. Plane was dropping down fast, engines went to full thrust, go-around initiated, the runway was very close when the plane started to gain height again! Then another attempt from the same direction. Aborted approximately above Stone Cutters Island. Then out to the South China Sea and the final attempt from the sea side. Shaky, bumpy and a firm touchdown. Pilot apologized and mentioned that this was the worst he experienced so far. The same for me! As I was living on an outlying island, there was of course no more ferry service and I finally had to spend the night in one of the fancy Hong Kong hotels. With the proper typhoon price tag, of course!
Second, a flight in Indonesia with a local airline from Bandung to Semarang via Yogyakarta (Bouraq Indonesia Airlines). The twin prop was probably my age. Cockpit door was always open so I could see how the pilots were knocking at some of the instruments to get a proper reading. But even more worrying was the fact, that every time we were on the ground, means prior to the start in Bandung, then later during the stopover in Yogyakarta as well as in Semarang the tank truck was approaching the plane. The same on the way back. My best guess is that they collected the money from the ticket sales in order to pay for the fuel. All in all, sort of scary!
Second, a flight in Indonesia with a local airline from Bandung to Semarang via Yogyakarta (Bouraq Indonesia Airlines). The twin prop was probably my age. Cockpit door was always open so I could see how the pilots were knocking at some of the instruments to get a proper reading. But even more worrying was the fact, that every time we were on the ground, means prior to the start in Bandung, then later during the stopover in Yogyakarta as well as in Semarang the tank truck was approaching the plane. The same on the way back. My best guess is that they collected the money from the ticket sales in order to pay for the fuel. All in all, sort of scary!
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Welcome to Nairobi, Nairobi, Nairobi, Nairobi, Nairobi, Nairobi
My worst landings were all at Nairobi on an Alitalia DC-10. There were about 8 of them and they all took place inside a space of about 20 seconds. At least that's how it seemed.
After that, I know why the Pope kisses the ground when he arrives after flying Alitalia.
I think my funniest take off was on a KLM flight, also to Nairobi, out of Jo'burg (in the good old days when we had to stop there). The FA announced on departure : "Welcome on board this KLM flight to Johannesburg ...... sorry ...... welcome on board this KLM flight to Amsterdam ...... sorry ... welcome on board this KLM flight to Nairobi ...."
At which point a very loud, very Afrikaans, very beery voice shouted from somewhere in the back : " Is you
sure it's KLM, you doos ....."
After that, I know why the Pope kisses the ground when he arrives after flying Alitalia.
I think my funniest take off was on a KLM flight, also to Nairobi, out of Jo'burg (in the good old days when we had to stop there). The FA announced on departure : "Welcome on board this KLM flight to Johannesburg ...... sorry ...... welcome on board this KLM flight to Amsterdam ...... sorry ... welcome on board this KLM flight to Nairobi ...."
At which point a very loud, very Afrikaans, very beery voice shouted from somewhere in the back : " Is you
sure it's KLM, you doos ....."
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I also remember when I worked in Malawi, the national carrier had a Captain whose flying technique was so scary that he became infamous. He was probably a close friend or relative of the late Dr. Banda.
We used to call the office and ask : "Could you tell me which Captain is roster to fly the 2.15 to Monkey Bay tomorrow please?"
"Yes sir, just a moment ...... ah, it's Captain 'X'"
"Thanks, could you book me on the morning flight then please!"
We used to call the office and ask : "Could you tell me which Captain is roster to fly the 2.15 to Monkey Bay tomorrow please?"
"Yes sir, just a moment ...... ah, it's Captain 'X'"
"Thanks, could you book me on the morning flight then please!"
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Merida in Venezuela. It's surrounded by high mountains, the (short) runway is in the middle of the town and has a pronounced uphill slope. This was back in 1995 in a very rickety old 727. It was an unforgettable, butt-clenching landing.
Despite that, I reckon it was still safer than taking the bus in Venezuela.
Despite that, I reckon it was still safer than taking the bus in Venezuela.
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Worst landing was into Kuwait on AF...I'm pretty sure that he landed the plane side on to the runway....and we kept going that way for what seemed an eternity before straightening up...
Worst take off was from Dera Ismail Khan courtesy of PIA...but we did take off during a monsoon storm and after about 30 seconds of flight we plummeted wildly - about the only time during a flight I've actually felt slightly scared...
Worst take off was from Dera Ismail Khan courtesy of PIA...but we did take off during a monsoon storm and after about 30 seconds of flight we plummeted wildly - about the only time during a flight I've actually felt slightly scared...
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I've probably told this story on pprune before but here we go again
Many years ago my wife and I were on our way to spend Christmas with my parents on the Fylde Coast. We took off from BHD for Blackpool on a Jersey European F27. An off duty member of cabin crew was sitting at the rear of the aircraft and the wheels had barely left the ground before she was on the telephone speaking to the flight deck. There was a general flurry of activity and the aircraft levelled off. As it was a very windy evening it was pitching around quite a bit and the cabin crew immediately made an announcement to the effect there would be no refreshment service because of the turbulence. Then it emerged we were returning to BHD because of a problem with a door at the rear which was coming open. During the approach and landing someone was holding on to the door, someone was holding on to him and someone was holding on to him. Before we boarded the aircraft engineers on ladders had been examining the door closely.......
The roughest approach I ever experienced was on a BA Express ATP into
Manchester from BHD on Christmas Eve 1997. There was a howling gale blowing and the last 20 minutes or so were hell. My wife tried to be sick but because of the G forces was unable to actually lean forward to use the bag. We constantly felt as if we were sitting in mid air and then dropped into our seats again. It was hard to believe the plane was not going to break in two. I don't mind admitting I was terrified.
Another alarming incident also occurred on the approach to Manchester over Stockport Sewage Works on a perfect summer morning. The flight from BHD on an Embraer 145 had been beautiful until the plane literally rolled on to its side in one direction, righted itself and rolled on to its side on the other. There was screaming in the cabin and much consternation. The pilot immediately applied a great deal of power and climbed. He contacted the cabin crew member at the front and asked if anyone had been hurt before explaining we had been caught in the wake vortex of a much larger aircraft.
Many years ago Mrs. FF and I were returning from London Gatwick to BFS on a Dan Air 1/11. It took something like four goes for the pilot to land the plane because of poor visibility. He used the intercom to say if he failed again we would divert to Dublin but in the end a BD jet's engines blew the mist away sufficiently to allow us to get down. This by the way is what he told us word for word.
Many years ago my wife and I were on our way to spend Christmas with my parents on the Fylde Coast. We took off from BHD for Blackpool on a Jersey European F27. An off duty member of cabin crew was sitting at the rear of the aircraft and the wheels had barely left the ground before she was on the telephone speaking to the flight deck. There was a general flurry of activity and the aircraft levelled off. As it was a very windy evening it was pitching around quite a bit and the cabin crew immediately made an announcement to the effect there would be no refreshment service because of the turbulence. Then it emerged we were returning to BHD because of a problem with a door at the rear which was coming open. During the approach and landing someone was holding on to the door, someone was holding on to him and someone was holding on to him. Before we boarded the aircraft engineers on ladders had been examining the door closely.......
The roughest approach I ever experienced was on a BA Express ATP into
Manchester from BHD on Christmas Eve 1997. There was a howling gale blowing and the last 20 minutes or so were hell. My wife tried to be sick but because of the G forces was unable to actually lean forward to use the bag. We constantly felt as if we were sitting in mid air and then dropped into our seats again. It was hard to believe the plane was not going to break in two. I don't mind admitting I was terrified.
Another alarming incident also occurred on the approach to Manchester over Stockport Sewage Works on a perfect summer morning. The flight from BHD on an Embraer 145 had been beautiful until the plane literally rolled on to its side in one direction, righted itself and rolled on to its side on the other. There was screaming in the cabin and much consternation. The pilot immediately applied a great deal of power and climbed. He contacted the cabin crew member at the front and asked if anyone had been hurt before explaining we had been caught in the wake vortex of a much larger aircraft.
Many years ago Mrs. FF and I were returning from London Gatwick to BFS on a Dan Air 1/11. It took something like four goes for the pilot to land the plane because of poor visibility. He used the intercom to say if he failed again we would divert to Dublin but in the end a BD jet's engines blew the mist away sufficiently to allow us to get down. This by the way is what he told us word for word.
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Brings to mind a rather hair-raising experience I had in 2003 on a Bangkok Airways ATR 72 departing Hua Hin on a stormy night. At what I would estimate to have been no more than 100 feet agl there was a pronounced loss of lift, as if someone had just pushed the aircraft down out of the sky. Windshear/Microburst? - I don't know I'm no expert, but we lost at least half of the altitude we had gained. Even now I have a vivid mental picture of the startled faces of people in cars passing by on the road running past the end of the runway. There was no increase in power, as I guess we were at full take off power anyway, and just as soon as it had begun it was over and the aircraft then climbed away as normal. Nothing at all from the cockpit, so I still don't really know what happened but certainly wouldn't like to experience it again.
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Lhasa, Sept. 1993
After hanging out in Tibet for almost a month, I booked a flight back to Beijing. When it came time to board, we were all led out onto the apron and asked to stand rank and file, carry-ons at our feet, facing an aircraft-free runway without so much as an endangered Tibetan antelope prancing about to attract our interest.
Twenty minutes later, a grandmother of a B707 lumbered up, with a fascinating patchwork of aluminium plates here and there along its skin and a cockpit window that looked as if it never quite shut properly.
Unsure whether to stand at ease or at attention, we watched the arriving pax clamber dutifully down the steps and disappear into the terminal in single file.
In single file, we were then allowed to board.
At the time, you see, Chinese airlines were still evolving out of a certain military tradition but then, behind it, there was this very civilian feeling that arriving pax were human beings worthy of a formal reception party, into which all of us boarders had been conscripted ad hoc.
The sweetest part of the whole flight was touchdown, when the whole cabin exploded into applause.
Nowadays here, with all the new aircraft and competition, it's so much more professionally depersonalized and routine: the only local charm is the pickled veggies in the breakfast trays.
Twenty minutes later, a grandmother of a B707 lumbered up, with a fascinating patchwork of aluminium plates here and there along its skin and a cockpit window that looked as if it never quite shut properly.
Unsure whether to stand at ease or at attention, we watched the arriving pax clamber dutifully down the steps and disappear into the terminal in single file.
In single file, we were then allowed to board.
At the time, you see, Chinese airlines were still evolving out of a certain military tradition but then, behind it, there was this very civilian feeling that arriving pax were human beings worthy of a formal reception party, into which all of us boarders had been conscripted ad hoc.
The sweetest part of the whole flight was touchdown, when the whole cabin exploded into applause.
Nowadays here, with all the new aircraft and competition, it's so much more professionally depersonalized and routine: the only local charm is the pickled veggies in the breakfast trays.
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About 10 years ago my wife and I were on a 747 from Los Angeles to Auckland late at night. It was the usual long roll prior to a long flight but as the aircraft rotated there was the most incredible scraping noise from the rear which lasted several seconds. The cabin went very quiet but we continued to climb and shortly levelled out. I whispered to my wife that I suspected a tail scrape and we'd probably dump fuel before returning. But no... a few minutes later we contined climbing and 12 hours later we landed in NZ! Nobody said a word so we still have no idea what it was other than possibly a rough surface at the end of one of LA's runways.
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Mauritania
Somewhere in the late 1990s, my fiancé and I caught a domestic flight back to Nouakchott. There were more pax with OK tickets than seats in the scrappy little B737 assigned to the flight. After deft pleading and negotiations over a plausible, if entirely non-existent, medical condition of mine with enough medical jargon, she managed to trouble someone's brow enough to secure us one thin but firm boarding card.
Well, we were already out on the runway when the a/c landed; the door opened and cabin crew were the first to deploy as a coordinated unit like security forces landing a head of state in hostile territory. In response everyone swarmed at the foot of the stairs and arriving pax had to fight their way through as best they might.
They survived.
When it came time for us to set first foot onto the stairs, the card-collecting crew member at the said foot of said stairs was courageously prepared to let through only one pax per boarding card. Again, my cardless fiancé argues my imaginary medical condition, adding how she is my Personal Physician and how I could drop dead at the drop of a burqa (No I will not go into details of the sort of therapies she faithfully provided over the years). Anyhow, with all the heavy crowd pressure behind us getting even heavier as she digs in her position with firm polite resolve, he just gives up and waves us through.
At take-off roll, there were four pax without seats, all at the back of the craft, two of whom had their backs propped up against an amorphous stack of, um, bulky carry-ons, all also obviously at the back.
Back in Nouakchott, I told the story to a friend who was an Air Afrique techie. His unsurprised comment was: "Yeah, they've already scratched up a few that way."
Still, Mauritania is worth a longer stay -- soooo much to see and learn. I still miss the place sometimes.
Well, we were already out on the runway when the a/c landed; the door opened and cabin crew were the first to deploy as a coordinated unit like security forces landing a head of state in hostile territory. In response everyone swarmed at the foot of the stairs and arriving pax had to fight their way through as best they might.
They survived.
When it came time for us to set first foot onto the stairs, the card-collecting crew member at the said foot of said stairs was courageously prepared to let through only one pax per boarding card. Again, my cardless fiancé argues my imaginary medical condition, adding how she is my Personal Physician and how I could drop dead at the drop of a burqa (No I will not go into details of the sort of therapies she faithfully provided over the years). Anyhow, with all the heavy crowd pressure behind us getting even heavier as she digs in her position with firm polite resolve, he just gives up and waves us through.
At take-off roll, there were four pax without seats, all at the back of the craft, two of whom had their backs propped up against an amorphous stack of, um, bulky carry-ons, all also obviously at the back.
Back in Nouakchott, I told the story to a friend who was an Air Afrique techie. His unsurprised comment was: "Yeah, they've already scratched up a few that way."
Still, Mauritania is worth a longer stay -- soooo much to see and learn. I still miss the place sometimes.
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Leeds Bradford. Any time of year - nearly always a crosswind. Every now and again a pretty nasty crosswind - and when there's no wind it's usually foggy. Which can also pose an interesting challenge....
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Coming in to Liverpool on an easyjet flight just before Christmas a couple of years ago. Lovely cold day, excellent visibility. The approach seemed normal but no flare, just 'BANG' and we're down. A couple of ceiling panels came loose and a few overhead lockers sprang open (fortunately nothing too heavy came out). As we were taxiing in the captain came on the PA, still chuckling, and said the FO (PF) 'swore that the runway was six feet lower when we left'.
On the return flight to Geneva it was quite stormy over the lake and on the final approach the aircraft surged up and dropped twice, with a bit of a roll thrown in to make sure everyone was properly disorientated. This was followed by quite a strong acceleration on to the runway. As we taxied in the captain said 'Well, ladies and gentlemen, I hope you all enjoyed that as much as we did'.
On the return flight to Geneva it was quite stormy over the lake and on the final approach the aircraft surged up and dropped twice, with a bit of a roll thrown in to make sure everyone was properly disorientated. This was followed by quite a strong acceleration on to the runway. As we taxied in the captain said 'Well, ladies and gentlemen, I hope you all enjoyed that as much as we did'.
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Jersey to Dinard on 10 September 1976 in Intra Airways DC3 G-AMPY. We took off in weather sufficiently bad to prevent the Weymouth - Jersey ferry getting into St Helier harbour. We flew through a severe storm in which the thunder could be heard over the din made by the Pratt & Whitneys. The turbulence was worrying. Most of the passengers, and also cabin crew were, well, let's say unwell, in the one and only chemical toilet. I managed to hold onto my stomach - just. The approach into Dinard seemed to take for ever. The only time I've been scared on an aircraft, not helped when my mate sitting opposite pointed out the 'plane could have been dropping parachutists over Arnhem before either of us was born.
But at least I can say I've flown on a DC3!
But at least I can say I've flown on a DC3!
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Any Ryanair landing 
Particular credit to a B732 flight from Dublin to Doncaster which was thrown down on runway 20 with the usual positive enthusiasm, and braked so hard everyone moved forward a row of seats. Managed to stop quickly enough to turn straight onto taxiway C and save a few minutes. Passengers (and brakes by the sound of it) not over impressed. We did wonder if it was done for a bet ...
Particular credit to a B732 flight from Dublin to Doncaster which was thrown down on runway 20 with the usual positive enthusiasm, and braked so hard everyone moved forward a row of seats. Managed to stop quickly enough to turn straight onto taxiway C and save a few minutes. Passengers (and brakes by the sound of it) not over impressed. We did wonder if it was done for a bet ...
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Particular credit to a B732 flight from Dublin to Doncaster which was thrown down on runway 20 with the usual positive enthusiasm, and braked so hard everyone moved forward a row of seats. Managed to stop quickly enough to turn straight onto taxiway C and save a few minutes. Passengers (and brakes by the sound of it) not over impressed. We did wonder if it was done for a bet ...
Perhaps if you read CAP413 and understood that an aircraft does not choose which exit from the runway but is given one then you may realise it is not a Ryanair thing ! It maybe they were given options and if they did not make the earlier exit then they would have been delayed behind other traffic.
Whatever the choice was they would be doing it in a safe manner - if the choice was to brake hard and exit or be stuck behind another aircraft waiting to get onto the gate what would you prefer ?
It seems everyone wants to second guess what is going on - whereby those guys in the pointy end are the only ones in the know. Perhaps you would prefer a nice gentle roll out and to sit behind awaiting traffic for half an hour but at the end of the day the pilots are part of a business and will work towards that.
I would personally say if your going to put your life in the hands of a crew for the xxx hours of the flight proceeding landing then at least trust them to do the best on landing - if they exit early it may not just be to get to the gate early cause they want a beer but because there is a very good reason to - the fact your not made aware why is just one of those things you have to live with as a passenger.
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It was slightly tongue in cheek 
The passengers were trying to fathom the reason - no other aircraft around, empty runway, nothing landed after - what are they supposed to think ? Another cabin full put off flying.
Anyway have you ever been to Doncaster ? There's no chance of ever being stuck behind another aircraft - a pigeon maybe
The passengers were trying to fathom the reason - no other aircraft around, empty runway, nothing landed after - what are they supposed to think ? Another cabin full put off flying.
Anyway have you ever been to Doncaster ? There's no chance of ever being stuck behind another aircraft - a pigeon maybe
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Whatever CAP413 may say (and whatever it is, I don't claim to know) I was on the flight deck of a 737 (not Ryanair, in fact probably before Ryanair) many years ago and the FO turned to me and said "we're now going to show you a short landing in a 737". After they had completed the exercise (involving a loud crash as something fell out just behind the bulkhead) I asked why. "We're 5 minutes late, short landing gets us the middle exit otherwise we have to go to the end and lose even more time". Nothing had been said over the R/T other than a clearance to land.
Interesting landings include several fog landings; it always amazes me how you can come down, down, down in bright sunshine and then enter this horrible murk. In one case the DH on the 757 was set at 8ft!
Then there was the landing with my brother in law (not planned, he had had a last minute call out) when we found ourselves turning finals with another plane crossing our path to head for the parallel runway. Trouble was the departing aircraft he was landing behind didn't depart so, with a medical emergency on board, he switched to our runway, we slowed to minimum, announced that over the R/T the plane behind us said "I can't fly that slow". Landing clearance came as we crossed the threshold, the heavy braking caused a brake overheat but we all landed fine. Colleagues in the main cabin hadn't realised anything! And brother in law told another story (related to the Embraerer roll above) of finding himself caught in a wake but only really realising it when he recognised he had wound in full aileron!
San Francisco can be fun when they are doing parallel landings up the bay and you find another plane closing on your wingtip as you approach the San Mateo bridge but it's almost more fun to watch from Coyote Point when you can see the departures as well taking off on the cross runways.
It's when you can see what's going on life becomes more interesting. The occasional overshoot while seated in the main cabin is never as much fun as sitting where you can see what's actually going on (most recently in Islanders).
Interesting landings include several fog landings; it always amazes me how you can come down, down, down in bright sunshine and then enter this horrible murk. In one case the DH on the 757 was set at 8ft!
Then there was the landing with my brother in law (not planned, he had had a last minute call out) when we found ourselves turning finals with another plane crossing our path to head for the parallel runway. Trouble was the departing aircraft he was landing behind didn't depart so, with a medical emergency on board, he switched to our runway, we slowed to minimum, announced that over the R/T the plane behind us said "I can't fly that slow". Landing clearance came as we crossed the threshold, the heavy braking caused a brake overheat but we all landed fine. Colleagues in the main cabin hadn't realised anything! And brother in law told another story (related to the Embraerer roll above) of finding himself caught in a wake but only really realising it when he recognised he had wound in full aileron!
San Francisco can be fun when they are doing parallel landings up the bay and you find another plane closing on your wingtip as you approach the San Mateo bridge but it's almost more fun to watch from Coyote Point when you can see the departures as well taking off on the cross runways.
It's when you can see what's going on life becomes more interesting. The occasional overshoot while seated in the main cabin is never as much fun as sitting where you can see what's actually going on (most recently in Islanders).
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Don't post tales of heavy landings in 737-800s (Ryanair or not) on this thread.
All the 737-800 series come equipped from Boeing with built-in crash-bang-wallop landings, no matter which operator you fly with. (Boeing use all their smooth landing devices for 747s).
Although, yes, it's true, the 737-800's supplied to Ryanair do come equipped for handbrake turns.
All the 737-800 series come equipped from Boeing with built-in crash-bang-wallop landings, no matter which operator you fly with. (Boeing use all their smooth landing devices for 747s).
Although, yes, it's true, the 737-800's supplied to Ryanair do come equipped for handbrake turns.