Air South West - getting off early
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Just ask yourself this question.
"In a very deep recession, would it be smart for a company to be caught apparently ripping off it's customers by charging them more for a shorter journey?"
For despite the breach of contract, the man on the Clapham Omnibus would surely take the view that a restaurant could not force someone to eat all three courses of a 'menu of the day' priced at a lower price than a single main course.
Offloading someone under such circumstances would be quite likely to make the headlines of the newspapers and in my opinion would be virtually impossible to prosecute for fraud, since there are some fairly obvious defences available.
In short, your question shows the bunker mentality and low grade commercial thinking encountered in airlines and partly explains why so few survive for more than a few years.
Just ask yourself this question.
"In a very deep recession, would it be smart for a company to be caught apparently ripping off it's customers by charging them more for a shorter journey?"
For despite the breach of contract, the man on the Clapham Omnibus would surely take the view that a restaurant could not force someone to eat all three courses of a 'menu of the day' priced at a lower price than a single main course.
Offloading someone under such circumstances would be quite likely to make the headlines of the newspapers and in my opinion would be virtually impossible to prosecute for fraud, since there are some fairly obvious defences available.
In short, your question shows the bunker mentality and low grade commercial thinking encountered in airlines and partly explains why so few survive for more than a few years.
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Would the whole route be poss if not for the fare structure?
You may stand on a train for the same fare as a sitter and get off where ever you want, but do not underpay or you might get caught.................
You may stand on a train for the same fare as a sitter and get off where ever you want, but do not underpay or you might get caught.................
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The last rotation does stop at NQY first!
The days flying as far as I remember is:
PLH NQY LGW PLH NQY LGW PLH(change crew!)PLH NQY LGW PLH NQY LGW NQY PLH
The days flying as far as I remember is:
PLH NQY LGW PLH NQY LGW PLH(change crew!)PLH NQY LGW PLH NQY LGW NQY PLH
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The last rotation does stop at NQY first!
The days flying as far as I remember is:
PLH NQY LGW PLH NQY LGW PLH(change crew!)PLH NQY LGW PLH NQY LGW NQY PLH
The days flying as far as I remember is:
PLH NQY LGW PLH NQY LGW PLH(change crew!)PLH NQY LGW PLH NQY LGW NQY PLH
This Summer my wife & I are visiting family in Canada. Unfortunately we're tied to school holidays. In the past we flew Zoom direct to Winnipeg, but now they've gone, Air Canada think they can charge what they like. The quotes we got involving them wouldn't have left much change from £800 each for a return ticket. Options with other airlines via the US were only slightly cheaper, so we decided to look for alternatives.
Minneapolis is the nearest major US city to Winnipeg, and fares to there were indeed way cheaper than for Winnipeg, although being around 8 hours' drive away, the logistics were not exactly convenient. Zooming in on my Google map, I stumbled upon a place called Grand Forks, North Dakota, only about a 3 hour drive from Winnipeg, (close enough for someone to come and pick us up) and just for a laugh I typed it into a booking engine, half expecting the place not to be recognised by the system and not to even have a proper airport. Amazingly not only was I quoted a fare (with NWA), but that fare was very significantly cheaper than the fare to Minneapolis, despite the fact that we would actually have to change planes in Minneapolis, and the flights used on the London- Minneapolis leg were exactly the same ones used for our original Minneapolis quote!
It occurred to me then that Minneapolis passengers could save money by booking through to Grand Forks and getting off in Minneapolis, but I suppose in practice the airline would probably refuse to let you check-in in Minneapolis (or anywhere else) for the return journey if you were to do that. I'm still puzzled at the logic of the fare structure though.
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Is that meant to be a justification for ripping off one set of pax, to subsidise another set?
Please give me one example where the train company tries to stop someone getting off at an intermediate stop before the final destination on the ticket.
Would the whole route be poss if not for the fare structure?
Please give me one example where the train company tries to stop someone getting off at an intermediate stop before the final destination on the ticket.
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It occurred to me then that Minneapolis passengers could save money by booking through to Grand Forks and getting off in Minneapolis, but I suppose in practice the airline would probably refuse to let you check-in in Minneapolis (or anywhere else) for the return journey if you were to do that. I'm still puzzled at the logic of the fare structure though.
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If it causes a flight delay that“s WOW“s problem for having a somewhat flawed fare structure! If they sue you (they won“t) counter sue them for gross negligence in allowing you to leave the aircraft unchallenged.
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http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system...misc/NRCOC.pdf
16. Starting, breaking or ending a journey at intermediate stations
You may start, or break and resume, a journey (in either direction in the case of a
return ticket) at any intermediate station, as long as the ticket you hold is valid for
the trains you want to use. You may also end your journey (in either direction in
the case of a return ticket) before the destination shown on the ticket. However,
these rights may not apply to some types of tickets for which a break of journey is
prohibited, in which case the relevant Train Companies will make this clear in their
notices and other publications.
If you start, break and resume, or end your journey at an intermediate station
when you are not entitled to do so, you will be liable to pay an excess fare. This
excess fare will be the difference between the price paid for the ticket you hold
and the price of the lowest priced ticket(s) available for immediate travel that
would have entitled you to start, break and resume, or end your journey at that
station on the service(s) you have used.
The comparison here with trains and planes has to be a pre booked ticket on a selected service from the timetable, not a turn up and travel.
Not that I agree it is right, but many modes of transport have 'strange fare structures' but a contract is a contract, along with failure to comply clauses, either way, with the exception of Airlines.
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http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system...misc/NRCOC.pdf
16. Starting, breaking or ending a journey at intermediate stations
You may start, or break and resume, a journey (in either direction in the case of a
return ticket) at any intermediate station, as long as the ticket you hold is valid for
the trains you want to use. You may also end your journey (in either direction in
the case of a return ticket) before the destination shown on the ticket. However,
these rights may not apply to some types of tickets for which a break of journey is
prohibited, in which case the relevant Train Companies will make this clear in their
notices and other publications.
If you start, break and resume, or end your journey at an intermediate station
when you are not entitled to do so, you will be liable to pay an excess fare. This
excess fare will be the difference between the price paid for the ticket you hold
and the price of the lowest priced ticket(s) available for immediate travel that
would have entitled you to start, break and resume, or end your journey at that
station on the service(s) you have used.
The comparison here with trains and planes has to be a pre booked ticket on a selected service from the timetable, not a turn up and travel.
Not that I agree it is right, but many modes of transport have 'strange fare structures' but a contract is a contract, along with failure to comply clauses, either way, with the exception of Airlines.
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I would guess that the difference in price reflects the number of seats available to each destination. If on the day the passenger wishes to travel there are more people wanting to travel to Plymouth instead of Newquay then the price of a Plymouth ticket will of course be higher. It's the same yield management system that all airlines use to set their ticket prices, not a rip off.
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"In a very deep recession, would it be smart for a company to be caught apparently ripping off it's customers by charging them more for a shorter journey?"
Al
Do any of you remember the days when an APEX return was almost half the price of a one-way? Countless pax who were in the know, and needed to fly one-way, would purchase an APEX return and not come back! The airlines could do nowt about it. They just hoped not too many would be savvy enough to realise.
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You presume that there IS a logic?!! The only logic is to get money. 
Avman Yes indeed many recall the Apex and why, once computers took over the setting and monitoring of fares (within their given 'logic'), the fares went up!
I'm still puzzled at the logic of the fare structure though.
Avman Yes indeed many recall the Apex and why, once computers took over the setting and monitoring of fares (within their given 'logic'), the fares went up!
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I've asked a checkin girl that I know about this. Apparently, the correct practice, would be to cancel your booking, and rebook you. If there was a price difference, you WOULD be expected to pay it or at least an ammendment charge, BUT... its quite discretionary. Its very likely, that with the right attitude and a good reason, they would avoid the hassle, and just issue a notice to the crew and issue you with an ammended boarding card. Dispatch would amend their pax lists and all would be well.
If you approach the crew straight away and bypass checkin, you will cause further problems. The dispatcher will not be happy if this results in a delay! They will eventually let you off but you can expect to be met by a passenger agent who will deal with you. My guess is they would be better prepared, and yes, you'd expect to pay the difference. But the same applies, its still discretionary. Only now, you are dealing with someone who's just been given extra work they could probably do without
Finally, just walking off IS NOT an option. The crew have a passenger list, your details are in the booking system, the flight may take a delay, and while you won't get a lawsuit, you will get a nasty shock when you check in for the return.
Play it straight, chat politely with check in and they can do things for you... but don't just presume
RTG!
Ps... i might add the person who told me all this doesnt work for WOW, but apparently this is what you could expect on most flights
If you approach the crew straight away and bypass checkin, you will cause further problems. The dispatcher will not be happy if this results in a delay! They will eventually let you off but you can expect to be met by a passenger agent who will deal with you. My guess is they would be better prepared, and yes, you'd expect to pay the difference. But the same applies, its still discretionary. Only now, you are dealing with someone who's just been given extra work they could probably do without
Finally, just walking off IS NOT an option. The crew have a passenger list, your details are in the booking system, the flight may take a delay, and while you won't get a lawsuit, you will get a nasty shock when you check in for the return.
Play it straight, chat politely with check in and they can do things for you... but don't just presume
RTG!
Ps... i might add the person who told me all this doesnt work for WOW, but apparently this is what you could expect on most flights
