absolutely NO sympathy for smokers in airport
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Devil's advocate hat on:
Perhaps the airport authorities, especially here in the litigious U.S. (and especially in California), are thinking that by providing a special room specifically for the purpose of smoking, they might be seen as encouraging smoking which, they fear, could expose them to litigation should someone get sick and turn around and sue them for damages.
Just a thought.
Perhaps the airport authorities, especially here in the litigious U.S. (and especially in California), are thinking that by providing a special room specifically for the purpose of smoking, they might be seen as encouraging smoking which, they fear, could expose them to litigation should someone get sick and turn around and sue them for damages.
Just a thought.
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Wish you all could just get a room
I know addiction to cigs is really hard to break so yes, some sympathy here, but the smoke makes so many people sick. Especially kids with asthma. Now that the habit is banished to outdoors, there are a lot of toxic sidewalks...that's no solution either.
Smoking rooms...hermetically sealed!
Or chew the nicotine gum if you don't want lung cancer...it's a pretty horrific death...good luck with quitting someday in time to avoid it...
Smoking rooms...hermetically sealed!
Or chew the nicotine gum if you don't want lung cancer...it's a pretty horrific death...good luck with quitting someday in time to avoid it...
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Just to wind things up further, what about the smoker?
Some smokers reek of stale smoke. Clearly clothing such as coats and sweaters have not been cleaned. Some even have dragon breath.
If I had a seat next to such a smoker I would have to move. Sorry, I just cannot tolerate the smell.
My intolerance has increased over the years. Really since the 70s as fewer and fewer have smoked so the air has become cleaner and, I suspect, made me far less tolerant.
Some smokers reek of stale smoke. Clearly clothing such as coats and sweaters have not been cleaned. Some even have dragon breath.
If I had a seat next to such a smoker I would have to move. Sorry, I just cannot tolerate the smell.
My intolerance has increased over the years. Really since the 70s as fewer and fewer have smoked so the air has become cleaner and, I suspect, made me far less tolerant.
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The answer is simple....
Just start chewing tobacco!!!
Not only can you chew in the terminal, you can also chew on the plane, too!
We pilot types chew up in the cockpit during flight all the time. Good nicotine fix, and totally legal.
Just start chewing tobacco!!!
Not only can you chew in the terminal, you can also chew on the plane, too!
We pilot types chew up in the cockpit during flight all the time. Good nicotine fix, and totally legal.
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but I've put up with ridiculous no-smoking sections of bars
'nough said
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I don't have any sympathy for your plight. For so long as a non-smoker I have endured second-hand smoke from people who really did not give a toss about how I felt having to breathe the noxious fumes. I know it's not very tolerant of me, but I've put up with ridiculous no-smoking sections of bars and restaurants, and indeed airports for long enough to say thank God for the ban.
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no-smoking sections of bars and restaurants, and indeed airports for long enough to say thank God for the ban.
...unless the very thought of someone else smoking somewhere upset you... I think thats called Tertiary smoking .( sitting nest to somebody who is thinking of smoking )...
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hanks for your (mostly) sympathetic support. Yeah yeah I know about the LAW (an ass most of the time), but has anyone heard that Shannon airport, despite the smoking ban in Ireland, has a dedicated smoking area for ....wait for it...... the transitting US marines and soldiers on the way to Iraq and probably rendition somewhere or other.
Only problem is, the commercial passenger is not allowed anywhere near it for Homeland Security reasons or the law in Ireland for the non marine I suppose.
Some spokesperson for SNN will no doubt scream that THIS IS UNTRUE!, but I believe it, anything to keep the US planes flying in, It's just not fair.
Only problem is, the commercial passenger is not allowed anywhere near it for Homeland Security reasons or the law in Ireland for the non marine I suppose.
Some spokesperson for SNN will no doubt scream that THIS IS UNTRUE!, but I believe it, anything to keep the US planes flying in, It's just not fair.
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I must say that in my experience there is considerable non-containment of cigarette smoke within the designated smoking "rooms" which AENA has constructed at Spanish airports since the law changed there. These rooms appear to have ventillation systems but the smoke typically pollutes much of the surrounding vicinity. I can think of one gate area in Terminal 4 Barajas, used for Iberia's Spanish domestic flights, which is particularly unpleasant in this regard.
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These rooms appear to have ventillation systems but the smoke typically pollutes much of the surrounding vicinity
) - there are badly designed rooms around, but others have a simple 'air lock' double door and adequate ventilation that even an asthmatic ASH supporting bulldog would fail to whiff from 3 metres. There is no excuse for 'leaky' smoking rooms and they should be banned and reconstructed.Just converting a brrom cupboard will not do.
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You need to look at the bigger picture folks, the government in conjunction with Department of Health want to keep pressure on the smokers. They want to inconvenience you by making you go without, stand in the rain or outside and ultimately pay more for your smokes. They pump millions into free NHS 'Stop Smoking' services, they offer helplines, they advertise prolifically about the dangers and effects of smoking, they've outlawed smoking in a public spaces, I'm sure this is reflected in BAA's (or whoever owns the airports') policy.
They don't want to make it easy for you, even if it would lower stress levels and *possibly* reduce air-rage
They don't want to make it easy for you, even if it would lower stress levels and *possibly* reduce air-rage
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But isn't it also something to do with protecting the employees from having to work in a smokey environment? I believe one of the reasons for the smoking ban in pubs/clubs was to do with the rights of the staff. Presumably somebody would have to enter a smoking room occasionally to clean it and empty the ashtrays and I'm guessing BAA (or whomever) have a legal obligation to provide a smoke-free workplace for all its employees.
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Tudor,
you're forgetting that smokers (like cyclists in London) have no thought for other peoples' rights compared to their perceived right to inflict their smells on other people. Admittedly you can now smell BO and stale beer in pubs where before it was masked by the smell of stale smoke (and often I wouldn't even go into them if they were too smoky).
What people need to do, before asserting their rights, is to realise that with rights come obligations, and act more courteously to other people, and that includes using a mouth freshener to avoid braething fag ash fumes over us when talking.
bit of a rant for a Thursday morning - don't know what came over me
you're forgetting that smokers (like cyclists in London) have no thought for other peoples' rights compared to their perceived right to inflict their smells on other people. Admittedly you can now smell BO and stale beer in pubs where before it was masked by the smell of stale smoke (and often I wouldn't even go into them if they were too smoky).
What people need to do, before asserting their rights, is to realise that with rights come obligations, and act more courteously to other people, and that includes using a mouth freshener to avoid braething fag ash fumes over us when talking.
bit of a rant for a Thursday morning - don't know what came over me
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Just out of curiosity? I object to the multiple forms of havoc that alcohol inflicts on our society (including breath). Drunks have no thought for other peoples' rights compared to their perceived right to inflict their behavior on other people. Should I be pressing for an alcohol ban in public places?
I guess that's my rant too - I smoke, and I do accept that I have to look after the rights of others: I still feel that an area outside could be provided for smokers in most terminals: It seems a minor imposition on others, but obviously I'm missing something and it's impossible
I guess that's my rant too - I smoke, and I do accept that I have to look after the rights of others: I still feel that an area outside could be provided for smokers in most terminals: It seems a minor imposition on others, but obviously I'm missing something and it's impossible
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Smoking room
For years, BHX had a smoking room for employees- mainly cabin crew prior to flight and still sealed off over a year later it still stinks out the corridoor from 25FT away!
It makes me wrech even more now the air is clearer. Smoking rooms are not the answer.
Maybe setting up a tunnel/corridoor to the "outside world" for the smokers where they are not allowed to take any luggage but to nip out for a quick one... before a flight?
Perhaps difficult for the single traveller but without the luggage it would be a simple thing as walking through a scanner and back to "airside"
maybe something to be explored?
It makes me wrech even more now the air is clearer. Smoking rooms are not the answer.
Maybe setting up a tunnel/corridoor to the "outside world" for the smokers where they are not allowed to take any luggage but to nip out for a quick one... before a flight?
Perhaps difficult for the single traveller but without the luggage it would be a simple thing as walking through a scanner and back to "airside"
maybe something to be explored?
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No they don't.
What all the 'smoking kills' and NHS won't treat smokers messages is all smoke and mirrors (
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If they were serious about stopping smoking they would use the Norwegian approach to drinking. They would increase the tax to the level that makes petrol look cheap. True this would increase cross-channel trade and possibly hit tax revenues but a true non-smoking policy would be aiming for NIL tax revenue from tobacco.
No the real reason for the smoking ban and publicity is very simply one of litigation. If they do nothing to discourage smoking then they would be open to a charge of complicity in damaging peoples health from passive smoking.
Absolutely.
I used to fly in a smoky aircraft. I didn't particularly notice the smell but when I got home and stripped off sweaty, smoke saturated underwear Mrs Wader used to make me strip off in the garage.
The cleaner the air the greater the contrast.
What all the 'smoking kills' and NHS won't treat smokers messages is all smoke and mirrors (
)If they were serious about stopping smoking they would use the Norwegian approach to drinking. They would increase the tax to the level that makes petrol look cheap. True this would increase cross-channel trade and possibly hit tax revenues but a true non-smoking policy would be aiming for NIL tax revenue from tobacco.
No the real reason for the smoking ban and publicity is very simply one of litigation. If they do nothing to discourage smoking then they would be open to a charge of complicity in damaging peoples health from passive smoking.
It makes me wrech even more now the air is clearer.
I used to fly in a smoky aircraft. I didn't particularly notice the smell but when I got home and stripped off sweaty, smoke saturated underwear Mrs Wader used to make me strip off in the garage.
The cleaner the air the greater the contrast.