QF in BKK, Grammar Lessons and OZ attitude to Sport & Beer (Merged)

[Solid Rust Twotter]

Rainboe (A monicker can be spelled any way you like. We're talking about standard use of English here....)

You've never experienced African thunderstorms and 600 mile long squall lines then?

[Rainboe]

Oh, I just don't know where to start......so I won't. My social life is fine, my professional life is a full time B737 Captain in the UK. May not be much, but it's 'ome! What do you do, young man?

You've never experienced African thunderstorms and 600 mile long squall lines then?

You jest? I spent my career thumping across the African/Indian Ocean ITCZ, usually at night, seat belts on, passengers screaming (not as loudly as me). I have done monsoons in India, cyclones in Mauritius and Hong Kong, skirted around that cyclone that took out Darwin, hurricanes in Florida, Cat 3 fogs in the UK, snowstorms in Detroit and Chicago and Alaska, severe squall in Perth. Believe me, African Cbs and 600 mile squall lines- bring 'em on! What's special about them?

[PaulBoeing]

Oh Well Done

I'm a student who minds his own business

[Rainboe]

No you're not. You are yet another Aussie who opened this thread to try and crow about Australia, Qantas, probably Freddos, Castlemaine 4x, and Fosters Beer too, etc. and all I can say is thank goodness you didn't win the rugby as well or you'd be crowing about that too!

It's only a game. It's not a blow to national pride. Just a game.

[SXB]

It's simply not possible to compare the safety records of airlines like BA and LH to one such as Qantas. BA and LH are global airlines operating hundreds of flights a day to all corners of the globe, Qantas are not.

Australians can be extremely annoying when it comes to sporting events and national pride. I've also yet to come across one who has anything positive to say about the UK, this is surprising given how many of them actually live there.

I will watch the France v England game with some of my French friends. We will eat together before the match, watch the game in a French rugby bar and then drink together afterwards. Whatever the result the victors will be congratulated and then we'll watch the final together the following week. It's only a game.

[SXB]

You are yet another Aussie who opened this thread to try and crow about Australia, Qantas, probably Freddos, Castlemaine 4x, and Fosters Beer too, etc

On the subject of beer the likes of castlemaine and fosters are probably the worst beer I have ever tasted, on a par with such rubbish as the heinekin sold in Europe. Is this the same stuff they sell in Australia ? Australians are always saying how great their beer is but the stuff sold in Europe doesn't seem to support this.

Personally, I'm glad I leave on the German border and have access to hundreds of high quality beers, none of which taste or look like Castlemaine 4 X

[PaulBoeing]

Mate your the one that brought up sport... and now where onto beer?

Maybe i shouldn't have started this thread and im not just raving about Qantas because i'm aussie its because it has good service and safety.

Also SIA is outstanding and Emirates.

[Buster Hyman]

QF in BKK & Grammar Lessons (Merged)

The word was it never flew again. So did this repaired wreck carry passengers again or not? If it never flew passengers again, then academically I suppose it doesn't count as a hull loss in that it actually got airborne again physically, but it's a bit of a crook, isn't it? And if it ever did carry passengers again, not me please! I saw it at Bangkok and I would not like to fly in that plane, thankyou! So I think that is one thing to crow about that is really not worth mentioning anymore.

Heathrow, July 27, 2007


Looks in pretty good shape to me.

Do try to keep up.

(PS...still wondering what "unsafer" means...)

[DrKev]

I will totally agree with Rainboe - a little grammar goes a long way. The standard of grammar among native English speakers is horrific. A little pride in your own ability to communicate effectively, please!

Australians can be extremely annoying when it comes to sporting events and national pride. I've also yet to come across one who has anything positive to say about the UK, this is surprising given how many of them actually live there.

Scots and Aussies are great and with my job (musician) I've done enough late night post-match gigs in Paris over the last month to know. The French (and I do love 'em, living here for eight years now) are actually very reasonable and pleasant when they lose but can be the most intolerable winners I have ever known. Sorry, will definitely be cheering on England on Saturday.

Returning to topic, and bearing in mid that all airlines and crew have good days and bad days...

...in my limited experience of Air France they are very bloody good indeed, BA are nothing short of spectacularly fantastic, Royal Air Maroc were a very pleasant surprise, and EI would be much more enjoyable if they'd get some decent sandwiches and just stop serving Lyons Tea! Worst brew on the planet. Even worse at FL350.

[Rainboe]

Buster,

Great photo of the INTERIOR of the 747 cabin after it landed, and GRAPHIC and VERY scary details on what happened inside to the terrified passsengers:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/0104/26/p.../pageone2.html Sorry -link doesn't work- is this a conspiracy?
Qantas spent $100 million repairing this old 747-400 - WAY above its current full sale value. WHY?? So they could continue to claim in advertising they had never lost a jet aircraft in a crash.
The transcript above indicates it has been deemed by authorities it was misjudgment by the pilot to insist all pax and crew stay on board for 15 mins after the crash, with fuel leaking from the badly damaged plane, rather than order immediate evacuation. Pilot was one of Qantas most senior, and THAT is the worry to me. He made a chain of possibly fatal decisions, not just one.

A little Googling brought out more- I shall investigate further. I suppose you could take bits of a crashed aeroplane and stick them on replacement bits for the really bent bits and call it 'repaired- not a hull loss!'.
'Unsafer' is a lot 'unbadder' than some of the grammer monstrosities contained in this thread, mostly from PaulBoeing, whose reaction to a plea to try and write 'more better' English was to get abusive, like all ignoramuses who show no desire to learn. In his favour is the lack of text speak (but that's all).
More here:

Qantas faces tarnished record after Bankok crash report
KERRY O'BRIEN: It is the proud boast of Qantas that it has never lost a passenger in the jet era of flying.
But on 23 September, Qantas Airlines flight QF1 crashed on landing in Bangkok and went about as close as you can go to the edge of disaster without loss of life.
Today the Bureau of Air Safety released its interim factual report on the incident and it provides uncomfortable reading for air travellers.
It now appears the accident occurred through a combination of poor weather information, crew miscalculation and questionable flying procedures.
At this stage, Qantas is not disputing any aspect of the report.
So how did this happen?
Already former Civil Aviation chief Dick Smith has warned Qantas needs to look at the balance between profit and safety.
Mark Bannerman reports.

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/qf1/8.shtml
http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/qf1/7.shtml

I'm not trying to denigrate the airline in any way, but people must stop this willy waving 'our airline is the safest in the world!' thing. As professionals, we're all trying to do our best and the right thing, and its rather insulting to have people waving statistics like this under your nose when it's not altogether borne out by experience.

[Flapping_Madly]

Please could you try to use "try to" and not "try and" which makes no sense except when you try and sentence a criminal. Thanks

[Buster Hyman]

One mans willy waving is another mans w@nking!

A little Googling brought out more- I shall investigate further

and its rather insulting to have people waving statistics like this under your nose when it's not altogether borne out by experience.

...yet, you are clinging on to one "incident" to negate the argument. Ironic. Would it satisfy you to compare fatalities perhaps???

Indeed, its an unwritten law that airlines never compared safety records...("There but for the grace of God...")...and I can't recall any airline breaching that rule. All PB said was that they have an "outstanding safety record", and over 87 years (50 with jets) I'd have to agree with him. That was his, & a few others' opinion.

[Rainboe]

Flapping Madly (and Grammar Badly),

Please could you try to use "try to" and not "try and" which makes no sense except when you try and sentence a criminal. Thanks

Oh....my.....God! Another one for the 'Remedial Grammar for Dolts' class!
QUESTION MARK boy! And end sentences, even one word sentences, with a full stop. DETENTION!
(At least we are all trying now!)

[SOTV]

Well, I spent some four months cruising around OZ in '79 and I must say I found the Australian men to be well dressed, quiet, unassuming introverts. They were modest when telling me about their favourite sports teams and I found little in the way of nationalistic fervour. The young ladies I encountered were shy, sweet, sophisticated and guarded their chastity zealously. Most were chaperoned by maiden aunts when we asked them to take afternoon tea with us.

I thought the beer was tasteful and thoughtfully flavoured and served at just the right temperature in charming public houses which had no sign of bad behavior. Profanity and blasphemy were virtually unheard of.

Or was that Cheltenham?

[Tolsti]

Please also note that it is ''too right'' and not ''to right'' which has a totally different meaning.

I thought the word ''cobber'' came after ''too right"?... if you're going to speak the lingo at least have the decency to do it correctly

[RevMan2]

Mate your the one that brought up sport... and now where onto beer?
Maybe i shouldn't have started this thread and im not just raving about Qantas because i'm aussie its because it has good service and safety.
Also SIA is outstanding and Emirates.

Seriously, PaulBoeing - unless you take steps in remedial spelling and grammar, you WILL have problems finding quality employment.

Good businesses (which - perhaps not coincidentally - are frequently also good employers) are very sensitive to communication skills, because they know that their customer base will read something similar to what you've written in this forum and think "Crikey, this sounds like a dodgy outfit", even disregarding the fact that misspellings and randomly sprinkled punctuation can be the cause of severe misunderstandings.

Do yourself a favour: realise that you've got a shortcoming in this area and get it fixed.

You'll thank your uncles Rainboe and RevMan2 in the long run...

[Like This - Do That]

Originally Posted by SXB

I've also yet to come across one who has anything positive to say about the UK, this is surprising given how many of them actually live there.

Well then consider me your first. I have plenty positive to say about the UK.

Originally Posted by SXB

On the subject of beer the likes of castlemaine and fosters are probably the worst beer I have ever tasted, on a par with such rubbish as the heinekin sold in Europe. Is this the same stuff they sell in Australia ? Australians are always saying how great their beer is but the stuff sold in Europe doesn't seem to support this.

Too right. The tasteless lager that masquerades as beer is an insult. It might be 90% of the market, but it isn't the whole story. Thank heavens for the growing spread and influence of small craft breweries.

Frankly my favourite beer is Timothy Taylor Landlord. OH BUGGER I'VE SAID SOMETHING POSITIVE ABOUT THE UK

SOTV love yer work!