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The E170 is quite comfortable, but for me it isnt the question about 3 seats versus 2, it all has to do with seat pitch. We operate with between a 32" to 34" seat pitch, as a 6 ft person i have passengered 10 hours (3 flights) in 1 day. It was quite enjoyable.
Not sure if i could have enjoyed the same journey in a Flybe aircraft.
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Not sure if i could have enjoyed the same journey in a Flybe aircraft.
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it all has to do with seat pitch. We operate with between a 32" to 34" seat pitch
Also, while the ceiling height, 200 cm, is fine, the height beneath bins is about 144 cm for E-jets, while B737 has something like 158...163 cm. Which is fine while sitting... but is the difference felt when getting in and out of seat?
I flew on the Embraer E-170 demo aircraft (the one brought last year at the Farnborugh Air Show) and a similar one of Alitalia Express about a year a part. Funny but but both flights were very late...
Being on the short side I found most seats pretty confortable. The demo aircraft has verious seat pitch (IIRC for 38 in to 28 in) and all of them are confortable.
Anyway I like the no-middle seat concept.
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Being on the short side I found most seats pretty confortable. The demo aircraft has verious seat pitch (IIRC for 38 in to 28 in) and all of them are confortable.
Anyway I like the no-middle seat concept.
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My first time in one today. BMI Heathrow to Glasgow. Booking foul-up meant that my sis and I had to be upgraded to Business. Harumph, obviously. Must write a complaint letter.
So, board (and I'm 6'4"), and it's a wee bit short on the headroom. Get into second row seat, and when I can finally raise my head, see that I'm sitting behind my rich cousin, who's paid for his First Class seat. Har har.
As to the ride, fabulous, ver ver nice 'plane, seat pitch more than adequate for an hour (miles better than charters), and the best touchdown I've ever experienced. (Well done that man).
Just two questions though. When you look out at the nose from the departure lounge, it's a strikingly small diameter tube, so what is the maximum age/height for the Captain; and how does he get the First Officer to come up to the flight deck if he's needed?
So, board (and I'm 6'4"), and it's a wee bit short on the headroom. Get into second row seat, and when I can finally raise my head, see that I'm sitting behind my rich cousin, who's paid for his First Class seat. Har har.
As to the ride, fabulous, ver ver nice 'plane, seat pitch more than adequate for an hour (miles better than charters), and the best touchdown I've ever experienced. (Well done that man).
Just two questions though. When you look out at the nose from the departure lounge, it's a strikingly small diameter tube, so what is the maximum age/height for the Captain; and how does he get the First Officer to come up to the flight deck if he's needed?
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If you were on BMI you were in an RJ-135 or 145 which is a quite different beast to the aircraft mentioned in the original post...Agree, a bit cramped for anyone over about 5'8" or so for moving about the cabin, but great once you're sitting, if a little bouncy in turbulence, and very smooth on landing and taxiing.
And the first officer sits in the flight deck with the captain...
And the first officer sits in the flight deck with the captain...
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Ehh
and how does he get the First Officer to come up to the flight deck if he's needed?
And the first officer sits in the flight deck with the captain...
No middle seat sounds great. Bombardier C-Series is supposed to be in 3-2/2-3 seating config., can't remember which but it wont come out till another lifetime
(6 years, maybe more with all the delays they put on it for the CRJ series)The E-Jets remind me of large Business jets, which they probably are, still great looking though. Pro Embraer.
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Embraer made the right decision to go for an altogether larger aircraft size rather than just do a bit of a stretch as Bombardier did. After great sales success by both Embraer and Bombardier with their RJs (approx 1,000 units each), the bottom fell out of the market astoundingly quickly and both got left with unsold stock and competition from a lot of almost new aircraft parked up.
This has happened repeatedly, with US Commuter carriers ordering large fleets and then dumping them. First it was 19-seat turboprops, then they dropped those and restocked with 35-50 seaters, then they dumped all those for the RJs. I just wonder if the same will happen with the larger Embraers.
This has happened repeatedly, with US Commuter carriers ordering large fleets and then dumping them. First it was 19-seat turboprops, then they dropped those and restocked with 35-50 seaters, then they dumped all those for the RJs. I just wonder if the same will happen with the larger Embraers.
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Yeah it was a good decision.
This has happened repeatedly, with US Commuter carriers ordering large fleets and then dumping them. First it was 19-seat turboprops, then they dropped those and restocked with 35-50 seaters, then they dumped all those for the RJs. I just wonder if the same will happen with the larger Embraers.
Blimey!! Are loads with BMI so bad that they put on Emb 135/145 on the GLA-LHR these days? (see post No 8) Just shows you what LOCO can do....and when i think back over the years of what a wonderful service you used to get with Midland on that route.......suppose you even pay for your coffee as well....anyway off topic....but sad in a funny kinda way
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The Embrs must be only at certain times of the day - or on certain days. In the good old days DC9's then B737's flew the route. Only last year I was on a BMI A321 on lunch time flight from LHR to GLA. I assume they still fly a mixture of Airbus on it - thats why i find it amazing they have gone to a commuter jet on Heathrow. Should bring back the hot breakfasts, lunch and dinners!!...when i think back now the cabin staff were great then!
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No middle seat sounds great. Bombardier C-Series is supposed to be in 3-2/2-3 seating config., can't remember which
but it wont come out till another lifetime (6 years, maybe more with all the delays they put on it for the CRJ series)
Sounds like Sukhoi Superjet. When is SSJ rollout?
The E-Jets remind me of large Business jets, which they probably are,
Whereas CRJ is a business jet - derivative of Canadair Challenger...
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Not yet. Lineage 1000 is not yet out.
Whereas CRJ is a business jet - derivative of Canadair Challenger