CIO has avoided UK due security processes...
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PAXboy
I guess that's one way around the problem, so you can take solid soap etc. on board with no problem as there's absolutely no way a terrorist could manufacture a bomb using solids whereas it's simplicity itself with liquids.....................
merlinxx
I think I may have been seated next to to you on a flight recently, have you been using the same wet wipe under your arms for 30 years......
I guess that's one way around the problem, so you can take solid soap etc. on board with no problem as there's absolutely no way a terrorist could manufacture a bomb using solids whereas it's simplicity itself with liquids.....................
merlinxx
I think I may have been seated next to to you on a flight recently, have you been using the same wet wipe under your arms for 30 years......
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I think you have your sarcasm detector turned off!
No, I agree with you, the chances of making a bomb on an airplane with a selection of liquids is pure Hollywood in my view.
The ban seems to be more about maximising sales at airport shops rather than a useful security measure
No, I agree with you, the chances of making a bomb on an airplane with a selection of liquids is pure Hollywood in my view.
The ban seems to be more about maximising sales at airport shops rather than a useful security measure
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Many of us in here think that is has everything to do with politicians covering their fat backsides. When the next bad security event happens they will say, "Well there gosh darn it but haven't those varmint terrorists jus' gone and thought of something else. We close every door we can." There is wide spread agreement that the 'security' measures do nothing but slow down the pax, cost the pax money and mad Bin Laden and his friends fall of their cushions with laughter.
The ban seems to be more about maximising sales at airport shops rather than a useful security measure
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Yours truly is in discussion about possible relocation to Europe at the moment. However, the main stumbling block at this stage is discussion as to the suitability of London as against other capitals in Europe as a base for a regional presence. The consensus is that language wise and economics wise, London wins, but the security hassles of passing through UK airports whenever we want to go anywhere is actually swinging the argument away from the UK and towards the continent.
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Slim, there's always the famous 'last straw' and for some people this is it.
Nobody seems to be counting the economic cost of this farce. This doesn't stop (or extend to - whichever way you want to look at it) a 'relocation' debate, London and the UK are losing a lot of tourism and stopover business. Talk to any seasoned traveller these days and mention London and you'll get 'avoid at all cost' as a reply. Never underestimate the importance of the hassle factor !
Nobody seems to be counting the economic cost of this farce. This doesn't stop (or extend to - whichever way you want to look at it) a 'relocation' debate, London and the UK are losing a lot of tourism and stopover business. Talk to any seasoned traveller these days and mention London and you'll get 'avoid at all cost' as a reply. Never underestimate the importance of the hassle factor !
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I think a lot of Brits have an island mentality but don't actually realise how different the continental Europeans, for instance, think. They find it simply unbelievable that I can just jump on the bike with my PG on the pillion and ride to Belgium, France or wherever to go flying, without ever seeing a customs or border post, because they only know the crazy fortress UK mentality. I went to Oberhausen on the bike a couple of years ago and there were, shock, horror, actually some police on the German border! 
There was some chap from the US on a thread here a few months ago decrying Schengen and finding it outrageous that I was able to do AMS - OSL without going through customs. Mate, you can jump through as many hoops as you personally like; just don't expect us not to laugh - and avoid the hoops wherever possible.
Large chunks of the UK populace still seem to be fighting the second world war - or against some perceived threat or other. Get over it. I was on take off at Coo on Sunday with 60-odd pilots speaking at least four languages in such a way you didn't even notice people flipping from one to another mid-sentence because it was the best way to be understood. And that's how a lot of Europeans think of the interaction of their people and countries too. Stop being so scared of difference and honour it in its celebration.
There was some chap from the US on a thread here a few months ago decrying Schengen and finding it outrageous that I was able to do AMS - OSL without going through customs. Mate, you can jump through as many hoops as you personally like; just don't expect us not to laugh - and avoid the hoops wherever possible.
Large chunks of the UK populace still seem to be fighting the second world war - or against some perceived threat or other. Get over it. I was on take off at Coo on Sunday with 60-odd pilots speaking at least four languages in such a way you didn't even notice people flipping from one to another mid-sentence because it was the best way to be understood. And that's how a lot of Europeans think of the interaction of their people and countries too. Stop being so scared of difference and honour it in its celebration.
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Strange as it may seem, fyrefli, I think you will find that you can hop on a train at Temple Meads and go to Newport (or take a flight to Dublin) with a similar lack of border paraphernalia. I agree with your observation of an "island mentality" that differentiates we Brits from continental Europeans, but that's because we are an island.
A land border is intrinsically unenforceable - even the Berlin Wall wasn't 100% effective - and inevitably a rather artificial construct. Even if it follows a major river, only a rowing boat is required to bypass any possible border controls. An island, on the other hand, has well-defined, natural borders that are capable of being enforced, and many of our continental friends find that difficult to empathise with.
Happily there remain many cultural differences between neighbouring countries within Europe - try commenting to your Dutch neighbours on their similarities to the Germans, if you'd like to see an example in operation
A land border is intrinsically unenforceable - even the Berlin Wall wasn't 100% effective - and inevitably a rather artificial construct. Even if it follows a major river, only a rowing boat is required to bypass any possible border controls. An island, on the other hand, has well-defined, natural borders that are capable of being enforced, and many of our continental friends find that difficult to empathise with.
Happily there remain many cultural differences between neighbouring countries within Europe - try commenting to your Dutch neighbours on their similarities to the Germans, if you'd like to see an example in operation
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Interesting that apart from MOL no other airline has "publicly" complained about the delays in the security process. Last week there was a huge queue at the "Second Security" post guarding Gates 25+ at LHR T1. All the flights were flashing "Final Call/Flight Closing" on the monitors but the security supervisor assured all those waiting (and protesting, I might add) that "all the airlines are aware of the problem and will hold flights until you are through!". In fact airline staff BA and BMI came to the area and attempted to call passengers forward. This is supposed to be a "random security screening area" but all passengers were being screened. The installation of a second screening gate does not appear to have helped much.
By the same token, in view of earlier remarks on this thread vis-a-vis shopping and eating/drinking have any of the businesses that rely on passengers spending money complained?
By the same token, in view of earlier remarks on this thread vis-a-vis shopping and eating/drinking have any of the businesses that rely on passengers spending money complained?
