BA and Extra baggage
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BA and Extra baggage
Oh dear.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6341129.stm
BA to charge for every additional hold baggage item bat the first.
Well that's me and every other diver off of BA.
Even if we do come in under the allowance.
Obviously the Lo-Co's haven't been available due to their restrictions.
Oh and as far as we're aware Scuba kit doesn't count as Sporting equipment.
(I did thhink about packing my stuff in a Golf Bag)
Have fun today with the snow (If it does)
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DaveA
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6341129.stm
BA to charge for every additional hold baggage item bat the first.
Well that's me and every other diver off of BA.
Even if we do come in under the allowance.
Obviously the Lo-Co's haven't been available due to their restrictions.
Oh and as far as we're aware Scuba kit doesn't count as Sporting equipment.
(I did thhink about packing my stuff in a Golf Bag)
Have fun today with the snow (If it does)
Regards
DaveA
Sounds pretty logical.
23kg per bag
1 in Economy
2 in Business
3 in First
Gives them better cost management, lets them negotiate handling contracts with ease, provides for easier capacity management, standardises and simplifies excess charges and everyone knows where they are.
Good thinking, Willie.
Managing the process and "creating the best possible airport experience" - as BA says - is going to be a stretch. They'll need queue combers in great numbers and mobile POS devices if they want to streamline check-in but if they get it right, everyone's going to follow.
I can see process management people elsewhere getting strips ripped off them by their CEOs for not coming up with the idea themselves....
23kg per bag
1 in Economy
2 in Business
3 in First
Gives them better cost management, lets them negotiate handling contracts with ease, provides for easier capacity management, standardises and simplifies excess charges and everyone knows where they are.
Good thinking, Willie.
Managing the process and "creating the best possible airport experience" - as BA says - is going to be a stretch. They'll need queue combers in great numbers and mobile POS devices if they want to streamline check-in but if they get it right, everyone's going to follow.
I can see process management people elsewhere getting strips ripped off them by their CEOs for not coming up with the idea themselves....
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Hummm.......
My arguement being that they're charging twice.
Assuming the allowance is evenly split between 2 bags
booking in advance.
Dom = £3.82Kg
S/H = £7.64Kg
L/H = £15.27Kg
This is approx 2/3 of the Excess baggage costs.
DaveA
Assuming the allowance is evenly split between 2 bags
booking in advance.
Dom = £3.82Kg
S/H = £7.64Kg
L/H = £15.27Kg
This is approx 2/3 of the Excess baggage costs.
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How does it work if you fly to the US or Canada from say Paris or Brussels? Do you pay the excess on the European leg or not? Link this to the new take-off tax from the UK and I suspect that I won't be visiting Heathrow in the future. Bosses at Air France, Lufthansa and Swiss should be grateful.
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As a regular traveller who has to go abroad with tools that are essential to my job function in addition to my clothes etc; I will be choosing another airline for ALL of my travel arrangements.
I don't care if I will only be checking-in one bag; BA you have lost my business while this charge is in place.
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IIRC the original plan was to allow all pax 2 pieces of handbaggage with no weight limits save that you had to be able to put in the overhead locker unaided; this presumably intended as some compensation for the reductions in hold baggage allowed weight. Then along came the extra security measures in August and the subsequent introduction of a one bag limit. BA delayed the introduction of this hold baggage limitation until the longer term hand baggage alowances became clear.
Now the limit is being introduced. although BA on their website say that for a time they are not strictly enforcing the limit "to allow our customers to become familiar with the change"!! Let's see whether that turns out to be true.
The problem surely is that many pax especially on their return sector won't have access to scales to check their bag weight until they get to the airport, by which time it will be too late.
Now the limit is being introduced. although BA on their website say that for a time they are not strictly enforcing the limit "to allow our customers to become familiar with the change"!! Let's see whether that turns out to be true.
The problem surely is that many pax especially on their return sector won't have access to scales to check their bag weight until they get to the airport, by which time it will be too late.
This is an easier way of addressing the non-collection of xbag charges.
If BA (or anyone) announces that they're going to apply the current rules strictly, it'll get no media attention and they'll have a shambles (more of a shambles?) at check-in, with howls of "But on my last flight..."
This way, they get loads of attention and if they promote the benefits effectively (which I haven't seen so far, actually), most people will see that they're not being disadvantaged.
Fargoo
What proportion of Economy pax currently check in more than 1 bag?
What proportion of Economy pax are currently charged excess baggage?
They're going to have to manage the issue of what to do with the 5 (or whatever) kg that needs to be removed from the overweight piece to bring it down to 23k.
You'll probably be able to buy standardised cardboard boxes or something. (Not that BA appears to have thought of that yet..)
Jewitts
If you're through-checked, the US/Canada rules should apply.
If BA (or anyone) announces that they're going to apply the current rules strictly, it'll get no media attention and they'll have a shambles (more of a shambles?) at check-in, with howls of "But on my last flight..."
This way, they get loads of attention and if they promote the benefits effectively (which I haven't seen so far, actually), most people will see that they're not being disadvantaged.
Fargoo
What proportion of Economy pax currently check in more than 1 bag?
What proportion of Economy pax are currently charged excess baggage?
They're going to have to manage the issue of what to do with the 5 (or whatever) kg that needs to be removed from the overweight piece to bring it down to 23k.
You'll probably be able to buy standardised cardboard boxes or something. (Not that BA appears to have thought of that yet..)
Jewitts
If you're through-checked, the US/Canada rules should apply.
I work for BA and think we've just shot ourselves in both feet with this one.
Bottom line is that if this is enforced, I will simply not fly BA.
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Ba Excess Baggage
This has been so mishandled by BA PR .
Charges have always been levied for baggage in excess of the normal
allowance. This was based on a rate per kg ..the rate was 1% of the F fare on the route concerned . If you were flying to OZ this meant a bag
weighing 20kgs wud cost £500-600. This new system simplifys things and
also means its a lot cheaper to carry excess. Instaed of being seen as
a big positive - which it is - it is being viewed as BA taking something away !
Its not like LOCO charging for bags. the normal bag allowance still applys
on BA ....its just if you need to carry over and above the allowance ths charge has been drastically reduced on a lot of routes .
Charges have always been levied for baggage in excess of the normal
allowance. This was based on a rate per kg ..the rate was 1% of the F fare on the route concerned . If you were flying to OZ this meant a bag
weighing 20kgs wud cost £500-600. This new system simplifys things and
also means its a lot cheaper to carry excess. Instaed of being seen as
a big positive - which it is - it is being viewed as BA taking something away !
Its not like LOCO charging for bags. the normal bag allowance still applys
on BA ....its just if you need to carry over and above the allowance ths charge has been drastically reduced on a lot of routes .
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BCALBOY,
In that case the News article is TOTALLY wrong.
It states that the charge will be PER-BAG over and above
one REGARDLESS of under or over limit.
I totally understand excess charges,
If you see my note above you'll be charged at approx
2/3 the excess rate for baggage WITHIN the existing 23Kg
limit should you choose to take more than one item to be checked.
This is outwith the implemented / stopped by security / proposed
Cabin Allowances.
HTH
DaveA
In that case the News article is TOTALLY wrong.
It states that the charge will be PER-BAG over and above
one REGARDLESS of under or over limit.
I totally understand excess charges,
If you see my note above you'll be charged at approx
2/3 the excess rate for baggage WITHIN the existing 23Kg
limit should you choose to take more than one item to be checked.
This is outwith the implemented / stopped by security / proposed
Cabin Allowances.
HTH
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Don't know what all the fuss is about. Just reporters looking to misrepresent an issue to make a better story.
The "standard" wheely bag allowed as handbaggege can easily hold 10KG and I have had 12KG on mine using easyjet, its not even the maximum size allowed. Coupled with a hold allowance of 23Kg, (which is not strictly enforced up to 25Kg anyway), it is more than adequate for a trip of any duration. Some people are inclined to carry far too much baggage around and it just adds to costs everywhere.
Someone mentioned that they take two bags for convenience. What's convenient about lugging two suitcases and handbaggage (+ duty free?) around a busy airport?
The "standard" wheely bag allowed as handbaggege can easily hold 10KG and I have had 12KG on mine using easyjet, its not even the maximum size allowed. Coupled with a hold allowance of 23Kg, (which is not strictly enforced up to 25Kg anyway), it is more than adequate for a trip of any duration. Some people are inclined to carry far too much baggage around and it just adds to costs everywhere.
Someone mentioned that they take two bags for convenience. What's convenient about lugging two suitcases and handbaggage (+ duty free?) around a busy airport?
the normal bag allowance still applys
on BA
on BA
"Until now customers have been allowed to check in more than one bag as long as they did not go over weight restrictions. The fees, which come in from Tuesday 13 February, will apply even if the combined weight of the two bags is below the allowance."
I can't see how this is positive.
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Most important current fact omitted
The most important current fact about the baggage policy is this:-
Long may the exception continue, until the 23 kg limit is permanently binned.
To allow our customers to become familiar with our new baggage policy and weight limitations, we will continue to accept bags at check-in weighing up to 32kgs for travel completed by 30 September 2007.
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But in principle it's no different from the current piece count system. You're allowed 2 bags at up to 32 kg each. But bring 3 bags at 10 kg each, and you're liable for an extra bag's charge.
IMHO, the real difficulty arises not from the change to a piece count system all round (which will always have this problem somewhere) but from the low allowance adopted (23 kg), plus the total inflexibility that comes from setting that as the absolute maximum single bag limit, plus having "per bag" flat rate as the only method of charging for excess.
It means that if you arrive with one bag at 24 kg and for some reason you can't arrange to carry on the excess 1 kg, you're in for the entire £120 for that 1 kg excess (in addition to the cost of buying a second bag to put the 1 kg excess into). That is the main thing wrong with this policy.
Someone mentioned that they take two bags for convenience. What's convenient about lugging two suitcases and handbaggage (+ duty free?) around a busy airport?
At the end of the day, I'm the paying customer. And if you can't accommodate my way of travelling, then you won't get my business.
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How does it work if you fly to the US or Canada from say Paris or Brussels? Do you pay the excess on the European leg or not? Link this to the new take-off tax from the UK and I suspect that I won't be visiting Heathrow in the future. Bosses at Air France, Lufthansa and Swiss should be grateful.
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The thing that BA has managed to avoid being mentioned in most media this morning is that it is a double hit. Not only do they start the flat rate fee per extra bag but also managed to go from 32kg per bag to only 23kg!!
This was all due to start last year but BA put it on hold with the introduction of hand baggage restrictions.
I also believe that they have shot themselves in the foot. Vote with your feet!!
M.
This was all due to start last year but BA put it on hold with the introduction of hand baggage restrictions.
I also believe that they have shot themselves in the foot. Vote with your feet!!
M.