Why not permanently ban hand luggage???
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Why not permanently ban hand luggage???
Just wondering why cannot hand luggage not be permanently banned, I dont think I would find it a hardship, I would think it must be safer and prob quicker for passengers to get on and off the aircraft as well.
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Why not ban hand luggage?
Because some of us, called premium (business class) travellers, need to take it with us.
1 - baggage being mislaid is too common an occurence and going to a meeting in yesterdays clothes is completely unacceptable
2 - we will not check in our laptops and business equipment, which we use enroute and which contains data that is often confidential
3 - we alo pay big money for our tickets (I've just sent GBP850 on a 4 segment ticket in Europe) and the airlines don't want to lose that, so they listen to our opinion a little more carefully than the non premium flyers, some (but not all) of whom could travel without hand luggage
That's why and that's why the impact of the current UK policies is going to have big impacts on the UK air sector in the next few months.
Because some of us, called premium (business class) travellers, need to take it with us.
1 - baggage being mislaid is too common an occurence and going to a meeting in yesterdays clothes is completely unacceptable
2 - we will not check in our laptops and business equipment, which we use enroute and which contains data that is often confidential
3 - we alo pay big money for our tickets (I've just sent GBP850 on a 4 segment ticket in Europe) and the airlines don't want to lose that, so they listen to our opinion a little more carefully than the non premium flyers, some (but not all) of whom could travel without hand luggage
That's why and that's why the impact of the current UK policies is going to have big impacts on the UK air sector in the next few months.
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Well, I travel (used to before the current nonsense) with valuable equipment.
If I check it one of 4 things can happen, and 3 of them are bad:
1) bag is returned safe and sound
2) bag is lost
3) equipment is broken
4) bag and/or equipment is stolen.
Better to ban chicken-little kneejerk security instead.
If I check it one of 4 things can happen, and 3 of them are bad:
1) bag is returned safe and sound
2) bag is lost
3) equipment is broken
4) bag and/or equipment is stolen.
Better to ban chicken-little kneejerk security instead.
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Originally Posted by magpienja
I dont think I would find it a hardship, I would think it must be safer and prob quicker for passengers to get on and off the aircraft as well.
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Because I like to carry my SLR camera with me. I also, used, to like to carry a tub of moisturiser and lipbalm with me and usually a book or magazine, oh and I find it handy to have somewhere to put my travel documents.
Plus now I have a baby I find it easier to carry nappies and wipes and other essentials in a bag rather than in my arms.
Plus now I have a baby I find it easier to carry nappies and wipes and other essentials in a bag rather than in my arms.
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majpienga,
actually your comment is partialy correct. Airlines will not ban handluggage for all flights as some passengers do require access to items in flight.
It is true however that airlines did find the boarding faster and the flight arguably safer without some of the huge bags that are often placed in overhead lockers. During the recent security checks, when handbaggage was limited, pasengers definately boarded much faster; this was due to queues not forming behind fellow passengers struggling to place hangbaggage overhead.
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actually your comment is partialy correct. Airlines will not ban handluggage for all flights as some passengers do require access to items in flight.
It is true however that airlines did find the boarding faster and the flight arguably safer without some of the huge bags that are often placed in overhead lockers. During the recent security checks, when handbaggage was limited, pasengers definately boarded much faster; this was due to queues not forming behind fellow passengers struggling to place hangbaggage overhead.
Regards,
FB
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Thanks for the career tip andy I wont then, but I stand by what I said in today climate it must be safer and we have to put up with lots of hardships every day, a small price to pay safety.
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While I don't agree with banning hand-baggage, I think restricting its size to the present laptop bag / brief case size, and enforcing the rule that handbags, wallets etc are contained within the bag for central search is a good move.
Quite honestly, the size and weight of handbaggage was getting completely out of hand!
From the airline ops point of view, boarding the aircraft is now a doddle. There is no mad scrummage for overhead space and there's even room in the overheads to stow small pushchairs now!
However, the "security" argument will not hold water until all European countries follow suit. There's nothing stopping Osama's followers from getting on a flight from the UK, going to Amsterdam, Frankfurt or wherever and buying their nasty liquids there to take and destroy on the return flight or on a US bound serrvice!
(There's also nothing stopping 'em from swallowing a condom with their nasty mixture or inserting a plastic cigar tube into the rectum here in the UK - but Mr Blimp at the DFT hasn't thought of that one!)
Quite honestly, the size and weight of handbaggage was getting completely out of hand!
From the airline ops point of view, boarding the aircraft is now a doddle. There is no mad scrummage for overhead space and there's even room in the overheads to stow small pushchairs now!
However, the "security" argument will not hold water until all European countries follow suit. There's nothing stopping Osama's followers from getting on a flight from the UK, going to Amsterdam, Frankfurt or wherever and buying their nasty liquids there to take and destroy on the return flight or on a US bound serrvice!
(There's also nothing stopping 'em from swallowing a condom with their nasty mixture or inserting a plastic cigar tube into the rectum here in the UK - but Mr Blimp at the DFT hasn't thought of that one!)
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Originally Posted by bealine
(There's also nothing stopping 'em from swallowing a condom with their nasty mixture or inserting a plastic cigar tube into the rectum here in the UK - but Mr Blimp at the DFT hasn't thought of that one!)
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Originally Posted by magpienja
but I stand by what I said in today climate it must be safer and we have to put up with lots of hardships every day, a small price to pay safety.
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Have you thought of the security implications, with thousands of tourists carrying all their holiday money in their pockets. Thieves paradise!!
What about my laptop - where does that go? What about all the provisions my wife & I need for our baby?
If you want to put up with "hardships" go travel with a charter airline. Personally, I like to, & I'm fortunate enough to travel 1st & business class whenever I travel - which gives me the opportunity to take a bit more hand luggage. I don't think I would be too happy if BA stripped me of my entitlement to my extra allowance - because I should endure hardships - even though I've just shelled out GBP9000 on a couple of tickets.
BA's premium passengers make up almost 35% of their annual revenue. Do you really think that they are going to jeopardise their income over a couple of kilos and a laptop?
Take the advice - don't work in policy making with the BAA, there are enough people like you there already.
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agree, wehn I fly business calls , one of the benefitis I'm paying for is the ability to take a bit mroe onboard, I'm not takeing the mick just my camera gear and a small bag which a bit of reading material and odds and sods for the flight. Basically the sort of stuff that youwould not want to lose the other end, contact lenses and the like although I will now not be able to take the fluids onboard for that...
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Originally Posted by magpienja
we have to put up with lots of hardships every day, a small price to pay safety.
Aisle seat, please.
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I reckon that passengers should be banned. Every time I've been on a flight, it is the passengers that were slow to board.
Ban 'em, that's what I say!
Ban 'em, that's what I say!
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Originally Posted by bealine
While I don't agree with banning hand-baggage, I think restricting its size to the present laptop bag / brief case size, and enforcing the rule that handbags, wallets etc are contained within the bag for central search is a good move.
Quite honestly, the size and weight of handbaggage was getting completely out of hand!
From the airline ops point of view, boarding the aircraft is now a doddle. There is no mad scrummage for overhead space and there's even room in the overheads to stow small pushchairs now!
However, the "security" argument will not hold water until all European countries follow suit. There's nothing stopping Osama's followers from getting on a flight from the UK, going to Amsterdam, Frankfurt or wherever and buying their nasty liquids there to take and destroy on the return flight or on a US bound serrvice!
(There's also nothing stopping 'em from swallowing a condom with their nasty mixture or inserting a plastic cigar tube into the rectum here in the UK - but Mr Blimp at the DFT hasn't thought of that one!)
Quite honestly, the size and weight of handbaggage was getting completely out of hand!
From the airline ops point of view, boarding the aircraft is now a doddle. There is no mad scrummage for overhead space and there's even room in the overheads to stow small pushchairs now!
However, the "security" argument will not hold water until all European countries follow suit. There's nothing stopping Osama's followers from getting on a flight from the UK, going to Amsterdam, Frankfurt or wherever and buying their nasty liquids there to take and destroy on the return flight or on a US bound serrvice!
(There's also nothing stopping 'em from swallowing a condom with their nasty mixture or inserting a plastic cigar tube into the rectum here in the UK - but Mr Blimp at the DFT hasn't thought of that one!)
I am pleased to see that baggage sizes should be set for the convenience of airline operations.
You know, when I handover my money (like the GBP850 last week for 4 x EU sectors and another GBP525 on Monday for two more, I get this irrational feeling that you and your colleagues are there to provide a good service to me.
Anyway, that won't be a problem as I am not connecting via LON anymore, since there are plenty of airlines and airports willing to offer a reasonable service.
Enjoy the winter season and the next set of financial results - your new boss will have a burning platform to use any way he wishes.
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Originally Posted by bealine
Quite honestly, the size and weight of handbaggage was getting completely out of hand!
From the airline ops point of view, boarding the aircraft is now a doddle. There is no mad scrummage for overhead space and there's even room in the overheads to stow small pushchairs now!
From the airline ops point of view, boarding the aircraft is now a doddle. There is no mad scrummage for overhead space and there's even room in the overheads to stow small pushchairs now!
Still, so long as the hosties have more time to put their faces on, it doesn't really matter that the customers have to endure endless lineups and gamble on getting back what they checked. In the same condition and in a reasonable time.
SLF indeed.
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Yep
And bear in mind that some of the overhead bin space is typically taken up by crew luggage in my experience.
In fact they are so careful at stowing it that a crew member shoe fell out of a bin when another CC opened it and it fell on my head as I was sleeping in a flat be beneath.
The person involved (CSD) insisted on making the other come an apologise for putting it there (????) even though all I wanted to do was to go back to sleep.
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k of the first order.
So maybe CC hand baggage should be banned, after all they work for the airline who are responsible for the safe conveyance of luggage from A to B and back, so it would be quite safe, wouldn't it?
And bear in mind that some of the overhead bin space is typically taken up by crew luggage in my experience.
In fact they are so careful at stowing it that a crew member shoe fell out of a bin when another CC opened it and it fell on my head as I was sleeping in a flat be beneath.
The person involved (CSD) insisted on making the other come an apologise for putting it there (????) even though all I wanted to do was to go back to sleep.
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k of the first order.So maybe CC hand baggage should be banned, after all they work for the airline who are responsible for the safe conveyance of luggage from A to B and back, so it would be quite safe, wouldn't it?
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Hmmm....i HATE hand luggage and strive to take on as little as possible - namely because i'm quite chilled and don't mind waiting that extra five minutes for your bags and know how to lock them like Fort Knox so NO baggage handler is getting in my bag - they couldn't even get in to it in JNB. I was so proud.
If you're travelling in Business of First i think you should be able to take on what you could before the 10th Aug as it can get stored elsewhere rather than over head bins.
But economy? I say keep the new hand luggage regs!! The size the BAA imposing is just right and will stop pax on certain flights thinking their handluggage is an extension of their checked in bags.
I work at check in and have seen it all - from car tyres and cat litter to 30 fake Ben Sherman shirts in cabin baggage. Is that REALLY necessary!!!
If you're travelling in Business of First i think you should be able to take on what you could before the 10th Aug as it can get stored elsewhere rather than over head bins.
But economy? I say keep the new hand luggage regs!! The size the BAA imposing is just right and will stop pax on certain flights thinking their handluggage is an extension of their checked in bags.
I work at check in and have seen it all - from car tyres and cat litter to 30 fake Ben Sherman shirts in cabin baggage. Is that REALLY necessary!!!
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Maybe if you hate hand luggage you should get another job !
To ban hand luggage may well force you to get another job !
Colleague flight testing an aircraft in Lidkoping flew from there to Stockholm to Glasgow last week. Forced to put an expensive pilots head set in hold baggage, which he would normally have had in hand luggage. Hold bag lost. Headset lost. I travel on holidays with a (reasonable sized) camera bag. Its wider than 16 cm. So do I put cameras in the hold ? I think not.
If check in agents or FA's object to the size of carry-ons over all these years, why have they not enforced the previous size rules ?
Sensible sized hand luggage, which might be 20 cm width, but is not 16 cm, is a necessity to simply keep your travelling public, your Customers, whether on business or pleasure, because the airline industry cannot stand the loss in revenue, and the subsequent loss of jobs, if even a small percentage of your Customers decide to stay at home.
To ban hand luggage may well force you to get another job !
Colleague flight testing an aircraft in Lidkoping flew from there to Stockholm to Glasgow last week. Forced to put an expensive pilots head set in hold baggage, which he would normally have had in hand luggage. Hold bag lost. Headset lost. I travel on holidays with a (reasonable sized) camera bag. Its wider than 16 cm. So do I put cameras in the hold ? I think not.
If check in agents or FA's object to the size of carry-ons over all these years, why have they not enforced the previous size rules ?
Sensible sized hand luggage, which might be 20 cm width, but is not 16 cm, is a necessity to simply keep your travelling public, your Customers, whether on business or pleasure, because the airline industry cannot stand the loss in revenue, and the subsequent loss of jobs, if even a small percentage of your Customers decide to stay at home.