Stamp On the Brakes
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Stamp On the Brakes
Just curious, but have you ever been tempted to, just as you pull up to the stand, "stamp in the the brakes" so to speak to catch out all those muppits who have already taken of thier seat belts and got up to get thier bottles out of the overheads?
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Not just been tempted ..... 
Not actually "stamped" but I've braked fairly sharply on several occasions during taxi if I could hear the purser use the PA to ask pax to remain seated while we were taxiing
The cabin crew really appreciate it and it put a smile on my face too when I heard afterwards that some pax sat down sharpish!
....if you do what you are told you won't get hurt
Not actually "stamped" but I've braked fairly sharply on several occasions during taxi if I could hear the purser use the PA to ask pax to remain seated while we were taxiing
The cabin crew really appreciate it and it put a smile on my face too when I heard afterwards that some pax sat down sharpish!
....if you do what you are told you won't get hurt
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We arrived at LHR the other week and our aircraft had to do the equivalent of an emergency stop on the taxiway.
Everyone was sitting down, but there were a few white faces afterwards.
Hopefully a few more pax now realize why the procedures are in place.
As a FQTV, I experience this occurence rarely, but the memory keeps me firmly in seat until the sign goes off.
Everyone was sitting down, but there were a few white faces afterwards.
Hopefully a few more pax now realize why the procedures are in place.
As a FQTV, I experience this occurence rarely, but the memory keeps me firmly in seat until the sign goes off.
A late friend,ex-Gulf Air, told me that he had become so fed up with the 'locals' standing up and removing luggage from the overheads before the aircraft had been parked, that he once did precisely what you suggested. Taxying in, he braked firmly and there was an avalanche of white robes and luggage in the back.
I did the same thing taxying a VC10K once. There is no PA in the K2 or K3 and it was clear that the groundcrew were milling about in the back as we taxyed along. "Step on the brakes", I asked the co-pilot. "Huh?" "OK - I have control......stomp". Bowled the buggers over - we nicknamed the manoeuvre 'groundcrew skittles' and warned them that they either sat down or faced a charge. Their choice.......
No doubt some huggy-fluffy Health and Stupidity ruling would say that I'd interfered with the groundcrew's civil liberties...... Tough. SIT DOWN!!
I did the same thing taxying a VC10K once. There is no PA in the K2 or K3 and it was clear that the groundcrew were milling about in the back as we taxyed along. "Step on the brakes", I asked the co-pilot. "Huh?" "OK - I have control......stomp". Bowled the buggers over - we nicknamed the manoeuvre 'groundcrew skittles' and warned them that they either sat down or faced a charge. Their choice.......
No doubt some huggy-fluffy Health and Stupidity ruling would say that I'd interfered with the groundcrew's civil liberties...... Tough. SIT DOWN!!
Whilst I can understand the temptation, I would hope that no professional pilot would pull such a stunt. To deliberately risk injuring your passengers or cabin crew is even more stupid than the offending pax.
No sympathy - if they disobey a lawful order then they deserve all they get.
Of course one would check with the cabin staff if, for example as happened recently to me at FRA, the jet was made to stop for a while off the gate and all the lemmings started to unbuckle and grab their luggage.
I liked the story of a VS PA of some years ago. It went along the lines of "We have had difficulty with cabin cleaning staff at this airport, so anyone who wishes to volunteer to help us clean up the cabin can indicate this by standing up before the seat belt signs are switched off......" Funnily enough, no-one did!
Of course one would check with the cabin staff if, for example as happened recently to me at FRA, the jet was made to stop for a while off the gate and all the lemmings started to unbuckle and grab their luggage.
I liked the story of a VS PA of some years ago. It went along the lines of "We have had difficulty with cabin cleaning staff at this airport, so anyone who wishes to volunteer to help us clean up the cabin can indicate this by standing up before the seat belt signs are switched off......" Funnily enough, no-one did!
No sympathy - if they disobey a lawful order then they deserve all they get.
Recklessly running the risk of injuring people, just to prove a point, is not the example I would expect from a professional. Yes some passengers' behaviour is often reprehensible, but let's not sink to the lowest common denominator.
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Yes some passengers' behaviour is often reprehensible, but let's not sink to the lowest common denominator.
I quite agree.
Sometimes the FAs could do more - I saw a magnificent intervention from an AF purser last year.
She really imposed her authority on the miscreants
I quite agree.
Sometimes the FAs could do more - I saw a magnificent intervention from an AF purser last year.
She really imposed her authority on the miscreants
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Originally Posted by Final 3 Greens
Yes some passengers' behaviour is often reprehensible, but let's not sink to the lowest common denominator.
I quite agree.
Sometimes the FAs could do more - I saw a magnificent intervention from an AF purser last year.
She really imposed her authority on the miscreants
I quite agree.
Sometimes the FAs could do more - I saw a magnificent intervention from an AF purser last year.
She really imposed her authority on the miscreants
But what more can the FA's do?
Recently I was purser on a flight to PRG and one of the pax, a young female b*tch got up to try and use the toilet 3 times during taxiing after landing. I was barking at her down the PA, my cabin crew at the rear were barking at her to sit down - so what more can I do? The Captain heard my 3 *ahem* requests to her to sit down and he made a PA, but if a pax is determined to move around what can I do? I am not allowed to physically restrain her.
So F3G what would you have done in this situation with a pax who thinks she is above the rules apart from have airport Police meet the aircraft?
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Note that I said "sometimes."
In my opinion you couldn't do any more than you did and she deserved to be met by the police, although what action they would take is another matter.
The worst thing I saw recently (3 weeks ago) was a young female pax telling the purser to f**k off"when he asked her to raise the sunblind for takeoff.
Apparently the sun was shining in her face.
I give the purser 10/10 for informing her that she would be offloaded and met by the airport police if she did not comply in 5 seconds.
You would be surprised by how many of us pax are on your side and will support you when you take this type of action, since we realize that the ANO and your SOPs are for our safety, which is eroded if people choose not to comply.
Finally please note that I used a positive example in my previous post, I was not attacking most FAs, who do a professional ljob.
Note that I said "sometimes."
In my opinion you couldn't do any more than you did and she deserved to be met by the police, although what action they would take is another matter.
The worst thing I saw recently (3 weeks ago) was a young female pax telling the purser to f**k off"when he asked her to raise the sunblind for takeoff.
Apparently the sun was shining in her face.
I give the purser 10/10 for informing her that she would be offloaded and met by the airport police if she did not comply in 5 seconds.
You would be surprised by how many of us pax are on your side and will support you when you take this type of action, since we realize that the ANO and your SOPs are for our safety, which is eroded if people choose not to comply.
Finally please note that I used a positive example in my previous post, I was not attacking most FAs, who do a professional ljob.
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Would it be more effective to hold 10 feet short, and refuse to park the aircraft until everyone has re-stowed their baggage and sat down again?
In fact, if it were SOP ...
In fact, if it were SOP ...
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I was on a Ryanair flight to Wraclaw last week - as soon as the a/c slowed down to about taxi speed (whilst still on the r/w) a woman got up and opened her locker - she was quickly asked to sit down.
Then, whist taxing, I kid you not - about 30 folk got up and started putting on jackets, opening lockers - even starting to walk to the exit!! The senior c/c was screaming down the mic and the 3 others were up trying to get them all to sit down - slamming lockers shut etc.
I put it down to a) laungage barrier (them all being Polish - although most Polish folk have perfect English)
b) a new Ryanair route - so quite possibly a lot of them were new to flying
c) "Plane" stupidity!
I'm quite glad the crew didn't touch on the breaks or I may have ended up with a polish bloke ontop of me - unless, of course, the pilot could have timed it do one of the FA's landed in my arms...
Seriously though - total idiots man. There was a video clip floating about on of the threads about a month ago showing just what could happen to all these idiots that take there belt off as soon as they are down (a part from anything else - do folk really think the belt is going to be of more use when the a/c is airborne and on final?!).
Then, whist taxing, I kid you not - about 30 folk got up and started putting on jackets, opening lockers - even starting to walk to the exit!! The senior c/c was screaming down the mic and the 3 others were up trying to get them all to sit down - slamming lockers shut etc.
I put it down to a) laungage barrier (them all being Polish - although most Polish folk have perfect English)
b) a new Ryanair route - so quite possibly a lot of them were new to flying
c) "Plane" stupidity!
I'm quite glad the crew didn't touch on the breaks or I may have ended up with a polish bloke ontop of me - unless, of course, the pilot could have timed it do one of the FA's landed in my arms...
Seriously though - total idiots man. There was a video clip floating about on of the threads about a month ago showing just what could happen to all these idiots that take there belt off as soon as they are down (a part from anything else - do folk really think the belt is going to be of more use when the a/c is airborne and on final?!).
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Originally Posted by Final 3 Greens
GOMG
Note that I said "sometimes."
In my opinion you couldn't do any more than you did and she deserved to be met by the police, although what action they would take is another matter.
The worst thing I saw recently (3 weeks ago) was a young female pax telling the purser to f**k off"when he asked her to raise the sunblind for takeoff.
Apparently the sun was shining in her face.
I give the purser 10/10 for informing her that she would be offloaded and met by the airport police if she did not comply in 5 seconds.
You would be surprised by how many of us pax are on your side and will support you when you take this type of action, since we realize that the ANO and your SOPs are for our safety, which is eroded if people choose not to comply.
Finally please note that I used a positive example in my previous post, I was not attacking most FAs, who do a professional ljob.
Note that I said "sometimes."
In my opinion you couldn't do any more than you did and she deserved to be met by the police, although what action they would take is another matter.
The worst thing I saw recently (3 weeks ago) was a young female pax telling the purser to f**k off"when he asked her to raise the sunblind for takeoff.
Apparently the sun was shining in her face.
I give the purser 10/10 for informing her that she would be offloaded and met by the airport police if she did not comply in 5 seconds.
You would be surprised by how many of us pax are on your side and will support you when you take this type of action, since we realize that the ANO and your SOPs are for our safety, which is eroded if people choose not to comply.
Finally please note that I used a positive example in my previous post, I was not attacking most FAs, who do a professional ljob.
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A bit of dry humour from the flight deck often helps as well...
I always remember the Captain coming on the PA as we taxiied to our stand at LGW after a flight from EDI a few years ago:
"Ladies and Gentlemen, the brakes on this aircraft are extremely efficient. Should we need to use them and you are not in your seat with your seat belt fastened, you will proceed down the aircraft, pass between myself and the First Officer, out of the front of the plane and will arrive in the terminal considerably before the rest of us. However, you will be in no condition to reclaim your luggage or catch your next flight."
Raised a few chuckles, but nobody moved until the signs went out.
I always remember the Captain coming on the PA as we taxiied to our stand at LGW after a flight from EDI a few years ago:
"Ladies and Gentlemen, the brakes on this aircraft are extremely efficient. Should we need to use them and you are not in your seat with your seat belt fastened, you will proceed down the aircraft, pass between myself and the First Officer, out of the front of the plane and will arrive in the terminal considerably before the rest of us. However, you will be in no condition to reclaim your luggage or catch your next flight."
Raised a few chuckles, but nobody moved until the signs went out.
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Hi Gorgeous
It was disgraceful, but I got the impression that the purser was happy to get on with his job once sanity was restored.
He had made his point very clearly.
However, the captain did come out of the FD and have words with the passenger on arrival and although I did not hear what was said, the body language suggested that she was backing up her CC member to the hilt, which is quite right and good leadership.
It was disgraceful, but I got the impression that the purser was happy to get on with his job once sanity was restored.
He had made his point very clearly.
However, the captain did come out of the FD and have words with the passenger on arrival and although I did not hear what was said, the body language suggested that she was backing up her CC member to the hilt, which is quite right and good leadership.
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I know a pilot in EI who once or twice actually stopped the plane and shut down the engines and told the passengers that he would not call for a tug to pull them onto stand until all passengers sat down, strapped in and remained such for the rest of the taxi!!!!!
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Glasgow Flyer's comment about a video circulating of what happens if the a/c has to stop shrpish - makes me think that we should have an official video showing this kind of information when in the departure lounge.
Folks are sitting around doing little and many airports have advertising $hit on the screens. Perhaps we could have examples of what happens if you don't stay in your seat. This could also cover the reasons for "Keep your seat belt lightly fastened at all times, in case we meet unexpected turbulence" as well as taxying.
Folks are sitting around doing little and many airports have advertising $hit on the screens. Perhaps we could have examples of what happens if you don't stay in your seat. This could also cover the reasons for "Keep your seat belt lightly fastened at all times, in case we meet unexpected turbulence" as well as taxying.