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I have not seen any reference to the safety of any lap top that is now in the hold...and what about the safety of the expensive mobile...
I understand that water purchased in the departure lounge is being confiscated.
What about newspapers, and magazines...
Please if any body knows the answer please respond.
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I understand that water purchased in the departure lounge is being confiscated.
What about newspapers, and magazines...
Please if any body knows the answer please respond.
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As I understand it anything purchased airside is permitted to be taken onto the aircraft, unless it is a flight to the USA, when liquids purchased airside cannot be take onboard.
However it would appear that there is some obvious confusion amongst staff about the rapidly changing and considerably varying different regulations from various quarters, so don't take anything for gospel.
Hopefully everything will be a bit more smooth tomorrow after all the staff have got a bit more used to things as they are.
However it would appear that there is some obvious confusion amongst staff about the rapidly changing and considerably varying different regulations from various quarters, so don't take anything for gospel.
Hopefully everything will be a bit more smooth tomorrow after all the staff have got a bit more used to things as they are.
Does anybody know what sort of temperature range something left in teh hold for say a 10 hour flight is likly to encounter ?
I was wondering what efect it would have on things like hard drives and batteries ?
I was wondering what efect it would have on things like hard drives and batteries ?
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The one question i would like answered is where the heck are the arlines/airports getting these huge quantities of clear plastic bags from? If this was a security measure that was implemented ad hoc yesterday morning then where did they get them from in huge numbers? or did they have prior knowledge that this would be implemented and thus place orders in advance?this is a serious question as i cannot believe that they would have these items in the quantities that they are being distributed.
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The placing of hand baggage in the hold will be part of a pre-planned alert system, all airports will be prepared for such an eventuality and part of that preparation will include having 100,000's of clear plastic bags on the premises.
The placing of hand baggage in the hold will be part of a pre-planned alert system, all airports will be prepared for such an eventuality and part of that preparation will include having 100,000's of clear plastic bags on the premises.
Does anybody know what sort of temperature range something left in teh hold for say a 10 hour flight is likly to encounter ?
I was wondering what efect it would have on things like hard drives and batteries ?
I was wondering what efect it would have on things like hard drives and batteries ?
If this business goes on much longer, airlines are going to start losing Business Class passengers in large numbers.....
How long before ties, belts, shoelaces are banned and the treatment of everyone like convicts reaches its obvious conclusion.
It seems only the UK is doing this; yesterday I was told (incorrectly) that I had to put everything in my hold luggage on a flight FDH-FRA; FRA-BHX. But on the FRA-BHX flight, I was the only mug with a little plastic bag.....
So far I've flown 54 flights this year; I need to take a laptop plus other business items such as a mobile phone with me on my flights. I also drive to the airport 99 km away and my car has an alarm/immobiliser. So currently I need to put my car keys in my luggage as well......
Airlines are going to have to come up with some better solutions than the extreme measures being inflicted on business travellers from the UK if they are to retain our custom - I am now looking at Eurotunnel instead.
How long before ties, belts, shoelaces are banned and the treatment of everyone like convicts reaches its obvious conclusion.
It seems only the UK is doing this; yesterday I was told (incorrectly) that I had to put everything in my hold luggage on a flight FDH-FRA; FRA-BHX. But on the FRA-BHX flight, I was the only mug with a little plastic bag.....
So far I've flown 54 flights this year; I need to take a laptop plus other business items such as a mobile phone with me on my flights. I also drive to the airport 99 km away and my car has an alarm/immobiliser. So currently I need to put my car keys in my luggage as well......
Airlines are going to have to come up with some better solutions than the extreme measures being inflicted on business travellers from the UK if they are to retain our custom - I am now looking at Eurotunnel instead.
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Airlines are going to have to come up with some better solutions than the extreme measures being inflicted on business travellers from the UK if they are to retain our custom - I am now looking at Eurotunnel instead.
Whilst I completely agree that the present situation is untenable, is it really the airlines call?
Looks to me as if the terrorists have won.
It is now up to the authorities to restore some sense of normality very quickly, or the business air travel sector in the UK will be impacted severely.
I've just spent quite some time rebooking business flights to avoid connecting via the UK and I am sure I'm not the only one.
Airlines are going to have to come up with some better solutions than the extreme measures being inflicted on business travellers from the UK if they are to retain our custom - I am now looking at Eurotunnel instead.
Whilst I completely agree that the present situation is untenable, is it really the airlines call?
Looks to me as if the terrorists have won.
It is now up to the authorities to restore some sense of normality very quickly, or the business air travel sector in the UK will be impacted severely.
I've just spent quite some time rebooking business flights to avoid connecting via the UK and I am sure I'm not the only one.
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Laptops & Mobile Phones in Hold
Well, it's going to be known 'rich pickings' for dishonest ground crew in respect of planes arriving at destinations from the UK.
It's ok interviewing the infrequent holiday families departing from the UK with few high value poseessions in their hold luggage not objecting to the security measures, but NO accouncement on what is being done to protect business travellers' possessions ?
Come on airlines, you need to protect your profitable business travellers' too !!!
It's ok interviewing the infrequent holiday families departing from the UK with few high value poseessions in their hold luggage not objecting to the security measures, but NO accouncement on what is being done to protect business travellers' possessions ?
Come on airlines, you need to protect your profitable business travellers' too !!!
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If this business goes on much longer, airlines are going to start losing Business Class passengers in large numbers....
Airlines are going to have to come up with some better solutions than the extreme measures being inflicted on business travellers from the UK if they are to retain our custom - I am now looking at Eurotunnel instead.
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Have you any idea of how many premium pax connect via London?
They do have a choice.
And that's the problem, a very profitable slice of the pie will evaporate.
Do transfer passengers have to check their laptops in when passing through London?
I have no idea, but I am not going to find out the hard way, which is why I'm not booking connecting flights through London presently, having just rescheduled using FRA, FCO and ZRH.
Whilst this PR disaster is being broadcast all over the world, expect the same response from many, many, other premium pax.
Have you any idea of how many premium pax connect via London?
They do have a choice.
And that's the problem, a very profitable slice of the pie will evaporate.
Do transfer passengers have to check their laptops in when passing through London?
I have no idea, but I am not going to find out the hard way, which is why I'm not booking connecting flights through London presently, having just rescheduled using FRA, FCO and ZRH.
Whilst this PR disaster is being broadcast all over the world, expect the same response from many, many, other premium pax.
Yes, you would have to check in your latop, personal organiser, car keys with electric fob, mobile phone etc if you flew, say ZRH-LHR-USA.....
Eurostar/Eurotunnel to Brussels or Paris, then fly?
Airlines - you are going to have to come up with a solution very soon or you will lose your high revenue passnegers on European routes.
It's not so much the inconvenience of not being able to use the laptop etc in flight - it's the risk of their loss or damage in hold baggage. Many business travellers also have sensitive commercial documents with them which they are unlikely to wish to lose sight of.
Europe doesn't have these restrictions (except to the US) - it's only the UK.
Eurostar/Eurotunnel to Brussels or Paris, then fly?
Airlines - you are going to have to come up with a solution very soon or you will lose your high revenue passnegers on European routes.
It's not so much the inconvenience of not being able to use the laptop etc in flight - it's the risk of their loss or damage in hold baggage. Many business travellers also have sensitive commercial documents with them which they are unlikely to wish to lose sight of.
Europe doesn't have these restrictions (except to the US) - it's only the UK.
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t's not so much the inconvenience of not being able to use the laptop etc in flight - it's the risk of their loss or damage in hold baggage. Many business travellers also have sensitive commercial documents with them which they are unlikely to wish to lose sight of.
It's both for me. I also do quite a bit of work in flight, dealing with emails (for transmission on arrival), expenses, quite often reviewing materials etc, occasionally doing some billable work.
I probably average 1 hour per flight (most of my flights are 2-3 hours duration.)
Multiply that up by 80 flights per year (I probably do more than this) and I've just lost 2 working weeks.
That is many thousands of pounds of lost billing opportunities, as the work has to be done sometime and doing it on the ground eats into potential billable hours (I am a freelance consultant.)
t's not so much the inconvenience of not being able to use the laptop etc in flight - it's the risk of their loss or damage in hold baggage. Many business travellers also have sensitive commercial documents with them which they are unlikely to wish to lose sight of.
It's both for me. I also do quite a bit of work in flight, dealing with emails (for transmission on arrival), expenses, quite often reviewing materials etc, occasionally doing some billable work.
I probably average 1 hour per flight (most of my flights are 2-3 hours duration.)
Multiply that up by 80 flights per year (I probably do more than this) and I've just lost 2 working weeks.
That is many thousands of pounds of lost billing opportunities, as the work has to be done sometime and doing it on the ground eats into potential billable hours (I am a freelance consultant.)
I am in a similar position - yesterday I was unable to work from 1445 until 2230 because everything I needed had to be put in my hold luggage.... Normally I would have managed 5 hours paid work in that time.
Next time I'll probably drive to Lake Constance and back, since the company pays for travel.
54 flights so far this year - thnigs must change soon or there simply won't be any UK airports..... I wonder what the total loss of business in the airside UK duty free shops has been over the last few days?
Next time I'll probably drive to Lake Constance and back, since the company pays for travel.
54 flights so far this year - thnigs must change soon or there simply won't be any UK airports..... I wonder what the total loss of business in the airside UK duty free shops has been over the last few days?
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The main thrust of most TV news and Business TV progs in the last few days, is the loss of business to UK PLC.
By continued enforcement of the "carry ons" via UK airport, there will be a reluctance for transit pax to use the UK.
I already hate travelling to the USA, and try to avoid recurrents there, yes I still have the problems getting DOJ approval to train on the same aircraft as my JAA brothers.
The sim centers in the Middle East can train as well as those in USA, with out the pre clearance problems . This applies to westerns as well as arabs.
Back to the point; the UK will suffer if these carry on restrictions are continued for much longer.
Lastly this is the kick in the pants needed for the VLJ market, if the existing air taxi operators dont see the oportunity to expand then they are very short sighted.
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By continued enforcement of the "carry ons" via UK airport, there will be a reluctance for transit pax to use the UK.
I already hate travelling to the USA, and try to avoid recurrents there, yes I still have the problems getting DOJ approval to train on the same aircraft as my JAA brothers.
The sim centers in the Middle East can train as well as those in USA, with out the pre clearance problems . This applies to westerns as well as arabs.
Back to the point; the UK will suffer if these carry on restrictions are continued for much longer.
Lastly this is the kick in the pants needed for the VLJ market, if the existing air taxi operators dont see the oportunity to expand then they are very short sighted.
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Originally Posted by BEagle
If this business goes on much longer, airlines are going to start losing Business Class passengers in large numbers...
Long haul, all US flights now cancelled till further notice. (One of those companies is about as big as it gets in terms of passengers it puts at the front end on planes). I have personally cancelled plans for two US long hauls, and will not make any US trips whilst unable to take any baggage on board. And the holiday with my young daughter - if they dont sort this out soon, then its the UK or Norther Europe by train/car.
Believe me, Airlines are getting hammered from Biz class cancellations and will continue to get hammered. Someone has to come up with the answer.
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Yes, I'm well aware of that but there isn't a lot the airlines can do about.
One of the primary aims of terrorism is to cause massive financial damage to the economies of its target countries. This is what is going to happen in the UK. Those of you who are cancelling or changing flights to avoid the UK are behaving in exactly the way the terrorists had hoped.
I'm booked on BA to go FRA-LHT-JFK in a few weeks and I have no intention of changing my itinary. If this means being without my laptop and blackberry for a few hours then so be it.
In anycase, I don't believe that the current restrictions are going to be in place on a long term basis.
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Have you any idea of how many premium pax connect via London?
They do have a choice.
Have you any idea of how many premium pax connect via London?
They do have a choice.
One of the primary aims of terrorism is to cause massive financial damage to the economies of its target countries. This is what is going to happen in the UK. Those of you who are cancelling or changing flights to avoid the UK are behaving in exactly the way the terrorists had hoped.
I'm booked on BA to go FRA-LHT-JFK in a few weeks and I have no intention of changing my itinary. If this means being without my laptop and blackberry for a few hours then so be it.
In anycase, I don't believe that the current restrictions are going to be in place on a long term basis.
The answer must be what the Americans did (seems they got it right for once) and simply ban liquids/creams/gels etc. I think we can all live with that. But in my hand baggage I carry a camera, lenses and film. I don't want to risk having the equipment nicked and the film ruined. Nor do I want my personal security further compromised by not being in possesion of my house and car keys at all times! LHR isn't called Thiefrow for nothing. It must be Utopia for the criminal element among the baggage handlers at the moment.
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Final3Greens
Yes, I'm well aware of that but there isn't a lot the airlines can do about.
One of the primary aims of terrorism is to cause massive financial damage to the economies of its target countries. This is what is going to happen in the UK. Those of you who are cancelling or changing flights to avoid the UK are behaving in exactly the way the terrorists had hoped.
Yes, I'm well aware of that but there isn't a lot the airlines can do about.
One of the primary aims of terrorism is to cause massive financial damage to the economies of its target countries. This is what is going to happen in the UK. Those of you who are cancelling or changing flights to avoid the UK are behaving in exactly the way the terrorists had hoped.
Cheers,
Rich.