UK to introduce exit border checks
Originally Posted by Evanelpus
Where my partner works the entire contract staff are foreign, mainly Poles and the like.
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Shall we get this thread back on track eh? This is about exit border controls. It is about catching those who are here illegaly, not those who are entitled to be here under EU rules or who have been granted asylum.
No one has any problem with a person who comes to this country and contributes to it.
No one has any problem with a person who comes to this country and contributes to it.
Lexxity has hit the nail on the head, if they contribute.
The problem with the particular Poles in question (as mentioned in my previous post) is that they are a lazy workshy bunch of sods who came here to have an easy life and when threatened with discipliniary action,claim they are being discriminate against because they are 'foreign'.
Back to the original topic.........
The problem with the particular Poles in question (as mentioned in my previous post) is that they are a lazy workshy bunch of sods who came here to have an easy life and when threatened with discipliniary action,claim they are being discriminate against because they are 'foreign'.
Back to the original topic.........
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It's not about immigrants per se. It's about whether a refugee from war torn Somalia is able to function well in a 21st century western secular society. Or whether a goat herd from an agrarian who gets to marry a young british girl he's never met for a passport is really what this country needs.
Some succeed. Many build ghettos of isolation and the debate is being hijacked by extremists from both sides.
As a Scot in England, I am a foreigner to an extent but at least I have the skills to fake it......
However knowing who has a right to be here and who doesn't can only help things along.
Some succeed. Many build ghettos of isolation and the debate is being hijacked by extremists from both sides.
As a Scot in England, I am a foreigner to an extent but at least I have the skills to fake it......
However knowing who has a right to be here and who doesn't can only help things along.
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I have never understood the idea behind not having exit checks. The visa issuing process for the UK is a bureaucratic dog's dinner and an unpleasant experience for the applicants. However, once through it, there are no checks to see if the person actually leaves. You can't pretend that anyone is actually going to be stopped and checked to see if they are an illegal immigrant, once they are out and about in today's PC UK society? Honestly, I don't know why they bother. It seems the policy is to make it as hard and nasty an experience as possible for someone to get into the UK, but then once they are there, just give up. It's a lot like Hong Kong before reunification, where Chinese immigrants were basically allowed to stay, as long as they had the luck or skill to get past the border and into town.
Reintroducing exit checks is a start towards effectively controlling immigration. I have no opinion on the rights or wrongs of immigration per se, but if you don't have a working control system, then you might as well scrap the whole thing.
Reintroducing exit checks is a start towards effectively controlling immigration. I have no opinion on the rights or wrongs of immigration per se, but if you don't have a working control system, then you might as well scrap the whole thing.
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Please keep this thread on the topic originally raised and avoid jetblast style posts - from here on in, I'll delete further posts that make absurd generalisations about nationalities or that stray off topic.
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Exit controls are one thing but as already mentioned we should have tighter controls for the entry points and better ways of dealing with anyone caught entering illegally.
I've heard of at least two occassions and dealt directly with cases where police officers caught some foreign persons found in the back of a lorry. Once they were brought into police custody we contacted the immigration officers to be told "Give them a rail warrant to Croydon and tell them to make their own way to the immigration offices". When asked if an escort was coming to collect them we were told no. Later it was not a surprise to be told they had not turned up. A neighbouring force had the same problem some 2 years later, which this time made the news.
I wonder how many have skipped in this way?
I've heard of at least two occassions and dealt directly with cases where police officers caught some foreign persons found in the back of a lorry. Once they were brought into police custody we contacted the immigration officers to be told "Give them a rail warrant to Croydon and tell them to make their own way to the immigration offices". When asked if an escort was coming to collect them we were told no. Later it was not a surprise to be told they had not turned up. A neighbouring force had the same problem some 2 years later, which this time made the news.
I wonder how many have skipped in this way?
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Originally Posted by Golf Charlie Charlie
Right after 7 July last year, they did reintroduce passport checks on departure at LHR Terminal 3 (just past security) and I think at some or all other LHR terminals, but I see that has been discontinued. Maybe that was just some sort of trial for a general reintroduction.
I think it's a brilliant idea.
About a year ago we had a spate of people selling selling their UK visas their passports as well as forged UK visas and passports - and they were all caught by immigration in T3 departures.
While I can fully understand the point of keeping a very close eye on the coming and goings of non-EU traffic, most other EU countries have signed up to the Schengen agreement, which gives true freedom of movement between participating states.
Surely, if the UK took a more enlightened approach, then the manpower saved by not checking EU arrivals and departures could be redeployed on beefing up checks on those coming to and from non-EU (Schengen) countries, and this be achieved sometime before the next 8 years.
I do know that it's an absolute pleasure driving and flying across most EU internal borders without the nonsence of border controls - once that it is I've left the UK!
Surely, if the UK took a more enlightened approach, then the manpower saved by not checking EU arrivals and departures could be redeployed on beefing up checks on those coming to and from non-EU (Schengen) countries, and this be achieved sometime before the next 8 years.
I do know that it's an absolute pleasure driving and flying across most EU internal borders without the nonsence of border controls - once that it is I've left the UK!
On a personal note i agree with previous post. its very obvious at a lot of european airports that flights to the UK means you are directed through some form of passport control and towards gates that are for UK flights only while those travelling to other destinations within Europe pass through to departure areas without any need for control. In my experience entry to the UK always results in passport checks and ofcourse in some occassions lenghty details as only 1 or 2 immigration officers appear only to be on duty.
Also nowadays due to electronic ticketing at lot of passport checks are undertaken by the airline.
I should think the introduction of departure checks from the UK will result in just more delays for the hard hit passenger - however i can understand the requirement. I just hope they have plenty of immigration/frontier personnel on duty - and some how i doubt that.
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Also nowadays due to electronic ticketing at lot of passport checks are undertaken by the airline.
I should think the introduction of departure checks from the UK will result in just more delays for the hard hit passenger - however i can understand the requirement. I just hope they have plenty of immigration/frontier personnel on duty - and some how i doubt that.
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Originally Posted by potkettleblack
Have we worked out why or been fed some spin as to why it is actually going to take 8 years to reinstate the border controls? Like that is a huge amount of time in anyones book!
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
Surely, if the UK took a more enlightened approach, then the manpower saved by not checking EU arrivals and departures could be redeployed on beefing up checks on those coming to and from non-EU (Schengen) countries, and this be achieved sometime before the next 8 years.
This illustrates how resource-saving equations are not always easy for the general public to resolve.
And that leaves aside completely the question of whether there is any need for either the UK/Ireland or Schengenland to demand visas of South African visitors.
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Uniforms or Civvies
After many years of passing back & forth between LHR & entry points in the USA it always made an impression on me as to how smart the Americans looked whether police or imigration or customs, on coming into LHR the police,customs & security were a scruffy lot, so perhaps we had better leave imigration in civvies.
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Originally Posted by el !
Globaliser being S.A. a country where a very large part of the population is of very low income, they are seen as potential illegal immigrants hence the visa requirement.
But the UK is probably the European country that is most hysterical about illegal immigration, and we do not have a visa requirement for South Africans. And this is despite the fact that we speak one of the two official South African languages that are of European origin, so would be a natural destination for many South Africans
Clearly, therefore, the fear is not in fact justified.
Moreover, there are many South Africans who have a genuine connection with the UK and for whom a visa requirement would be extremely onerous. I can see this (and similar situations) therefore being a real stumbling block to joining Schengenland and having to bring our visa list into line with the Schengenland list.
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Internal ID checks
For a number of months, I was flying from Cardiff to Belfast and almost without exception, when arriving back in Wales, we were asked to produce ID by, non-uniformed 'officers'. I've deliberately put officers in apostrophes as I have no idea who they were. I asked why we needed to show ID and the response was a frosty, "Security" followed by a few minutes of questionning (even though they had seen me and my passport for weeks before). Actually, thinking about it, sometimes we were asked for ID by the same people flying out of Cardiff.
I wondered why this took place, as I was travelling from one part of the UK to another. I was never asked for ID travelling from Cardiff to London on the train or when flying into City, for example. Was NI singled out due to its history of troubles?
Any ideas?
I wondered why this took place, as I was travelling from one part of the UK to another. I was never asked for ID travelling from Cardiff to London on the train or when flying into City, for example. Was NI singled out due to its history of troubles?
Any ideas?
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Originally Posted by CWL2YOW
I've deliberately put officers in apostrophes as I have no idea who they were.
[ETA:] Blast, beaten to it by lexxity.