Thomsonfly B767-200- The most uncomfortable airline??
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Thomsonfly B767-200- The most uncomfortable airline??
Hi everyone,
A few weeks ago I returned from Malaga on a Thomsonfly B767-200 flight.
I am quite a tall person and flown on many charter flights before, but this aircraft has to be the worst for leg room. They could not fit any more seats into the aircraft if they wanted to.
I would think that this Thomsonfly aircraft would be only used on short haul routes (G-BYAA).
Does anyone know if all the Thomsonfly aircraft are like this??
If anyone decides to book a flight/holiday with Thomsonfly I would advise you to book an extra leg room seat, especaily if your flight is longer then two hours long!!
A few weeks ago I returned from Malaga on a Thomsonfly B767-200 flight.
I am quite a tall person and flown on many charter flights before, but this aircraft has to be the worst for leg room. They could not fit any more seats into the aircraft if they wanted to.
I would think that this Thomsonfly aircraft would be only used on short haul routes (G-BYAA).
Does anyone know if all the Thomsonfly aircraft are like this??
If anyone decides to book a flight/holiday with Thomsonfly I would advise you to book an extra leg room seat, especaily if your flight is longer then two hours long!!
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Think that the seats on board T/Fly are no tighter than most other charter co. People want to fly for free now,( the reason that EZY and Ryanair do so well), and the only way to do it is pack-em in like sardines.As you say everyone has the choice to pay for extra leg room on a T/Fly flight or as an alternative why not choose B.A or Iberia and fly business class.Doing this will leave you with less money to spend on your accomodation or those little extras like your after dinner brandy!! People have to weigh up what is the most important to them. And before you ask I do fly for Thomsonfly and have been proud to do so for 18 years so forgive me if I get a wee bit sparky now and then. Blame hypoxia and too much sherry!! x
It's all in your perception.
I am 6'0". I have done many return business trips UK to Australia in Y and had no problem. One of the women in the office (5'3") used the same carrier for the trip and complained about "sardine class".
Holiday charter airlines and the budget carriers use the same seat pitch, generally 28". Malaga is one of the nearer destinations they serve anyway. This seat pitch has been standard on these flights since the jets came along in the 1960s. I've always found it fine. You could always try Iberia from Heathrow. Twice the price, no local departures, still have to pay for refreshments on board, need to change planes in Madrid.
I am 6'0". I have done many return business trips UK to Australia in Y and had no problem. One of the women in the office (5'3") used the same carrier for the trip and complained about "sardine class".
Holiday charter airlines and the budget carriers use the same seat pitch, generally 28". Malaga is one of the nearer destinations they serve anyway. This seat pitch has been standard on these flights since the jets came along in the 1960s. I've always found it fine. You could always try Iberia from Heathrow. Twice the price, no local departures, still have to pay for refreshments on board, need to change planes in Madrid.
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Actually the 762 is - in more general aspects - the more pleasant of the fleet to fly on.... toilets in the middle of the aircraft, big feel but not so long a wait to get off etc.
Unfortunately 28" is standard in the industry for shorthaul. When we take the 762 down to Australia we reconfigure it to a more comfortable 260 seats vs the standard 290 seats (europe)....
We do try to please.........BUT at the end of the day one unfortunately cannot expect too much when one pays so little....
Unfortunately 28" is standard in the industry for shorthaul. When we take the 762 down to Australia we reconfigure it to a more comfortable 260 seats vs the standard 290 seats (europe)....
We do try to please.........BUT at the end of the day one unfortunately cannot expect too much when one pays so little....
Hopefully some of the UK-based long-haul charters will go the way that First Choice have on their 763's. The standard on-board product now offers more leg-room than standard Y on BA and VS.
Prices have risen accordingly, but it's good to have the option to some long-haul destinations that the scheduled carriers don't reach direct from UK (eg, CUN)
Prices have risen accordingly, but it's good to have the option to some long-haul destinations that the scheduled carriers don't reach direct from UK (eg, CUN)
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With respect to First Choice's policy on longhaul....
They wanted to expand so needed to source 767 for the LH op. The only ones they could find were the "low-floor" weight versions which dictated how many seats they could squish into the aircraft.
So you can't be entirely sure which came first - the policy shift on LH pitch or the restricted aircraft?
Either way it would seem the be working for them...or is it........
They are a launch customer for the 787 - the 767 replacement. Boeing may be doing a part-ex deal with them which allows them to operate their 'less-full more-comfrotable' 767s on routes where others like Tfly and Mytravel would struggle..... so things may not be as clear cut as they seem.
They wanted to expand so needed to source 767 for the LH op. The only ones they could find were the "low-floor" weight versions which dictated how many seats they could squish into the aircraft.
So you can't be entirely sure which came first - the policy shift on LH pitch or the restricted aircraft?
Either way it would seem the be working for them...or is it........
They are a launch customer for the 787 - the 767 replacement. Boeing may be doing a part-ex deal with them which allows them to operate their 'less-full more-comfrotable' 767s on routes where others like Tfly and Mytravel would struggle..... so things may not be as clear cut as they seem.
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They wanted to expand so needed to source 767 for the LH op. The only ones they could find were the "low-floor" weight versions which dictated how many seats they could squish into the aircraft
If the above we're true, which it is'nt I think First Choice would've paid for the floors to be re-enforced instead of changing their whole LH product??
As European launch customer for the 78 I'm sure Boeing would've helped find some "High Floor" 6's for them
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We have 30" seat pitch. I personally think its quite good, yet people still complain. Those that complain are not prepared to pay the £10 to upgrade to an extra legroom seats, so I guess if they took out five rows they would not be prepared to pay the extra on the base ticket price for the convienience. So they would just be off down the road to use Easyjet or Ryanair!
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As has been mentioned, most charter airlines have 28" seat pitch on short haul ops.
So its strange that you find Thomsonfly's G-BYAA uncomfortable as it has a 30" seat pitch between October and May.
So its strange that you find Thomsonfly's G-BYAA uncomfortable as it has a 30" seat pitch between October and May.
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30" is not good, just because it is 2" more than it might otherwise be
A tall pax will still find 30" unpleasantly cramped.
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"People want to fly for free now,( the reason that EZY and Ryanair do so well)"
Given that FR sometimes do give seats away or sell them very cheaply, what else do you expect?
30" is not good, just because it is 2" more than it might otherwise be
A tall pax will still find 30" unpleasantly cramped.
Flying Spurtle
"People want to fly for free now,( the reason that EZY and Ryanair do so well)"
Given that FR sometimes do give seats away or sell them very cheaply, what else do you expect?
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Indeed 30" is not good, but in reply to the original comment of ' most uncomfortable airline( aircraft ) I was merely pointing out that 30" is more than the usual 28" you find on other aircraft ( inc TOM's 757 ) to AGP.
So the answer to the question in the topic starter of Most Uncomfortable Airline is...no.
Also, who do you normaly fly to AGP with firstforfirstchoice?
So the answer to the question in the topic starter of Most Uncomfortable Airline is...no.
Also, who do you normaly fly to AGP with firstforfirstchoice?
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First Choice Airways!!
I nearly always fly with First Choice Airways/holidays on holidays and flights to their sunshine destinations, including Malaga, but unfortunately, I missed the FCA flight coming back home, so had to be transferred to a Thomosnfly flight.
I think the main reason, why the B767-200 felt so cramped, was because I was put in a window seat, but unfortunately, their was no window, the B767-200 seems to have quite a few window seats at the front of the aircraft, but do not seem to have windows!!
Give me First Choice Airways' B757-200's any day!!
Cheers.
I think the main reason, why the B767-200 felt so cramped, was because I was put in a window seat, but unfortunately, their was no window, the B767-200 seems to have quite a few window seats at the front of the aircraft, but do not seem to have windows!!
Give me First Choice Airways' B757-200's any day!!
Cheers.
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The reason why some people find 30" bad and others think it is ok, even if they are tall, is because legroom (or lack of it) is perceived depending upon length of femur (thigh bone) and not height. Someone who is very tall can have relatively short femurs and vice versa.
Interestingly, BA now claim there economy seat pitch is a 'comfortable' 76-78cm. At the lower end of this scale, 76 cm is just under 30", so less than many charter flights.
I genuinely wish First choice airlines well with their new long haul layout, just a pity we cannot get it in short haul. I would definitely choose them to fly long haul on charter routes, truly superb.
As regards budget airlines, in the USA JetBlue has a standard seat pitch of 34", so you can have budget prices with lots of legroom. I personally find economy in most long haul completely intolerable due to a lack of legroom, and only bearable for very short flights.
Interestingly, BA now claim there economy seat pitch is a 'comfortable' 76-78cm. At the lower end of this scale, 76 cm is just under 30", so less than many charter flights.
I genuinely wish First choice airlines well with their new long haul layout, just a pity we cannot get it in short haul. I would definitely choose them to fly long haul on charter routes, truly superb.
As regards budget airlines, in the USA JetBlue has a standard seat pitch of 34", so you can have budget prices with lots of legroom. I personally find economy in most long haul completely intolerable due to a lack of legroom, and only bearable for very short flights.
It's a similar situation on the railway over the years - as the "average person" has got larger the space provided for each seat has got smaller.
When I was a kid the trains from London to Cambridge had 3-across seating, in those compartments with a corridor at the side, even in second class. The next generation of trains had 4-across, 2 each side. The latest ones, at vast expense apparently, have 5-across which is distinctly too-friendly on the 3-seat side when full. Legroom has gone down too. And in comparison to all those who say for air travel "pay peanuts get squashed" the fares have gone up in that time way ahead of inflation. Liverpool Street to Stansted often costs more than the base cost of the subsequent European flight.
When I was a kid the trains from London to Cambridge had 3-across seating, in those compartments with a corridor at the side, even in second class. The next generation of trains had 4-across, 2 each side. The latest ones, at vast expense apparently, have 5-across which is distinctly too-friendly on the 3-seat side when full. Legroom has gone down too. And in comparison to all those who say for air travel "pay peanuts get squashed" the fares have gone up in that time way ahead of inflation. Liverpool Street to Stansted often costs more than the base cost of the subsequent European flight.
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Last year I flew Thomson from Punta Cana to LGW, 767-300 in 2-4-2 configuration, now that was an experience 
What made it worse was the constant peddling of duty free throughout the "night" when all we wanted to do was go to sleep. In the bolt-upright seats. Not fun.
Oh well, at least it was cheap!
What made it worse was the constant peddling of duty free throughout the "night" when all we wanted to do was go to sleep. In the bolt-upright seats. Not fun.
Oh well, at least it was cheap!
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Originally Posted by firstforfirstchoice
Hi everyone,
A few weeks ago I returned from Malaga on a Thomsonfly B767-200 flight.
I am quite a tall person and flown on many charter flights before, but this aircraft has to be the worst for leg room. They could not fit any more seats into the aircraft if they wanted to.
I would think that this Thomsonfly aircraft would be only used on short haul routes (G-BYAA).
Does anyone know if all the Thomsonfly aircraft are like this??
If anyone decides to book a flight/holiday with Thomsonfly I would advise you to book an extra leg room seat, especaily if your flight is longer then two hours long!!
A few weeks ago I returned from Malaga on a Thomsonfly B767-200 flight.
I am quite a tall person and flown on many charter flights before, but this aircraft has to be the worst for leg room. They could not fit any more seats into the aircraft if they wanted to.
I would think that this Thomsonfly aircraft would be only used on short haul routes (G-BYAA).
Does anyone know if all the Thomsonfly aircraft are like this??
If anyone decides to book a flight/holiday with Thomsonfly I would advise you to book an extra leg room seat, especaily if your flight is longer then two hours long!!
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MyTravel vs Monarch
Two completely different experiences BHX-BCN & BCN-MAN.
BHX-BCN with MyTravelLite last year, awful, I'm only 5'8" and I only had about half an inch between my knees and the seat in front and the seats had zero padding couldn't wait to get off.
BCN-MAN with Monarch - Last week FANTASTIC! (apart from the technical hitch
) Don't know why anyone under 6'6" would pay for the extra legroom seats? Shh! Don't tell the management they'll reduce the legroom or put the prices up!
BHX-BCN with MyTravelLite last year, awful, I'm only 5'8" and I only had about half an inch between my knees and the seat in front and the seats had zero padding couldn't wait to get off.
BCN-MAN with Monarch - Last week FANTASTIC! (apart from the technical hitch
) Don't know why anyone under 6'6" would pay for the extra legroom seats? Shh! Don't tell the management they'll reduce the legroom or put the prices up!
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Just to be pedantic, Airbus or Boeing do not choose the seats. The type and model are determined by the aircraft buyer as BFE (Buyer Furnished Equipment) along with many other interior items.