BA Domestic check in ??? (April 2nd)
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Hand Baggage reduction by BAA
To ease the conjestion at its airports BAA is severly reducing the carry on baggage permitted, or perhaps it is just enforcing the DOT regulations.
What ever the actual situation it will ease the security bottleneck. Lets hope.
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What ever the actual situation it will ease the security bottleneck. Lets hope.
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as far as i know
- you can use any credit card, does not have to be the one you used to pay for the booking. only in some cases it is required to insert that card used to pay for the booking as well. that is some kind of fraud check, that sometimes also occurs when you check in at the traditional check-in counter. in general tough, any credit card with your name on will work.
- if you are booked in a group (of up to six people) you can use the credit card that was used to pay for the flight to check-in all passengers out of the group at the same time. if one group member has a frequent flier card that is also possible.
- if two passengers have the same surname it does not matter, but as soon as the passengers have the same initial of the first name the machine can't do the check in and sends the passenger to a check-in counter.
- you can also use the machines if travelling with infants
altough i was very unhappy about those machines first i have to say that they are getting better. connection flights can normally be checked-in at the same time, switch cards work as well...
- you can use any credit card, does not have to be the one you used to pay for the booking. only in some cases it is required to insert that card used to pay for the booking as well. that is some kind of fraud check, that sometimes also occurs when you check in at the traditional check-in counter. in general tough, any credit card with your name on will work.
- if you are booked in a group (of up to six people) you can use the credit card that was used to pay for the flight to check-in all passengers out of the group at the same time. if one group member has a frequent flier card that is also possible.
- if two passengers have the same surname it does not matter, but as soon as the passengers have the same initial of the first name the machine can't do the check in and sends the passenger to a check-in counter.
- you can also use the machines if travelling with infants
altough i was very unhappy about those machines first i have to say that they are getting better. connection flights can normally be checked-in at the same time, switch cards work as well...
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hey tristar. could you be a little bit more specific? why do you think the "any credit card will work" is complete rubbish?
if you are travelling in a group i have to say you are right, "any credit card" will only pick up the passenger that owns the credit card. but if the passenger is travelling alone one of his personal credit cards will be enough to check in. as long as the name on the card corresponds to the name in the booking of course.
if you are travelling in a group i have to say you are right, "any credit card" will only pick up the passenger that owns the credit card. but if the passenger is travelling alone one of his personal credit cards will be enough to check in. as long as the name on the card corresponds to the name in the booking of course.
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At LGW, we are waiting with interest for "SSK Day".
Having "hosted" self-service on a number of occasions, I can reliably state that at least half the passengers will have to go to the "Assistance" desk as "Check In Incomplete"!!!
As long as the current machines and their dodgy software exist, our check-in jobs will be safe
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Having "hosted" self-service on a number of occasions, I can reliably state that at least half the passengers will have to go to the "Assistance" desk as "Check In Incomplete"!!!
As long as the current machines and their dodgy software exist, our check-in jobs will be safe
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I've recently flown with BA from Manchester to london, used the on-line check-in which is great. One issue.... I was never once asked for photo ID at any stage. I could have been anyone as far as they we're concerned! (unless they just thought "oh hey, it's Pamann
"). Back on point tho, I thought all flights including domestic needed photo ID these days
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"). Back on point tho, I thought all flights including domestic needed photo ID these days ???
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Back on point tho, I thought all flights including domestic needed photo ID these days
If you read "102 Minutes", the New York Times account of the survivors' stories of 09/11, you would realise that Al Qaeda started planning the twin towers atrocity in 1993 after failing in their bombing attempt in the underground garage of the World Trade Center.
For 7 years, their operatives travelled hither and thither by air, checking and re-checking how airlines carried out their tasks! They are probably still flying around, casually observing, making notes, plotting and planning.
Why are we making it easy for them?
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Originally Posted by tristar500
Let me just clarify on the 'Any Credit Card Will Do' point.
Its complete rubbish and take it from someone who works for the airline and is involved in the 'Way Ahead'...
Its complete rubbish and take it from someone who works for the airline and is involved in the 'Way Ahead'...
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Ok so I booked the ticket on line with my credit card.
Two weeks later I checked in (24hrs prior) on line and all that was needed at this stage was my locator and surname , picked my seat and printed my boarding card. Now at this point "in theory" I could have given this to anyone to travel with.
Arrived Manchester, no bagge, just a carry on bag. Proceeded to security which they scanned my boarding pass, took a picture
and stuck a bar code on my printed boarding pass. Now that's all fair, but who proved that I (Pam Ann) was the person who checked in on line.
Arrived at the boarding gate, bar code read my picture flashes up on screen
. Ok so that's me who's arrived and gone through security, but still no proff that Pam Ann is indeed who I am. No form of ID asked for at any time
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Now in this day of hightened security I was shocked !
Being airline personnel I was actually amazed at this
! Afterall I was nearly refused a flight on RyanAir (also domestic) cos I could'nt find my passport!
And what infact if I had used a stolen credit card (not me of course but it happens)! God for bid I could have been anyone as far as they were concerned!
Two weeks later I checked in (24hrs prior) on line and all that was needed at this stage was my locator and surname , picked my seat and printed my boarding card. Now at this point "in theory" I could have given this to anyone to travel with.
Arrived Manchester, no bagge, just a carry on bag. Proceeded to security which they scanned my boarding pass, took a picture
and stuck a bar code on my printed boarding pass. Now that's all fair, but who proved that I (Pam Ann) was the person who checked in on line.Arrived at the boarding gate, bar code read my picture flashes up on screen
. Ok so that's me who's arrived and gone through security, but still no proff that Pam Ann is indeed who I am. No form of ID asked for at any time !Now in this day of hightened security I was shocked
!Being airline personnel I was actually amazed at this
! Afterall I was nearly refused a flight on RyanAir (also domestic) cos I could'nt find my passport!And what infact if I had used a stolen credit card
(not me of course but it happens)! God for bid I could have been anyone as far as they were concerned!
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Dear Pamann
I think that it is time for you to go an live in a nice, safe, dark bunker somewhere, where you will be safe from all the risks that you perceive.
In the past 4.5 years, there have been no further 9/11 incidents.
The system works, please do not aid the terrorists further by trying to tighten up the system, or they truly will have won.
I suppose that you will be insisting on airline type security for the local bus after 7/7?
I think that it is time for you to go an live in a nice, safe, dark bunker somewhere, where you will be safe from all the risks that you perceive.
In the past 4.5 years, there have been no further 9/11 incidents.
The system works, please do not aid the terrorists further by trying to tighten up the system, or they truly will have won.
I suppose that you will be insisting on airline type security for the local bus after 7/7?
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If you have nothing constructive to say on this then go crawl back under that rock you've just popped up from
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What I'm asking is has the requirement for photo ID changed?
Afterall I can't even let a cleaner on on turn-around with no ID so why should Jo Bloggs be allowed on as a passenger with no ID
!What I'm asking is has the requirement for photo ID changed?
Afterall I can't even let a cleaner on on turn-around with no ID so why should Jo Bloggs be allowed on as a passenger with no ID
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I think my point is constructive - don't let the terrorists win by being frightened of life.
If you wish to know why you can't let a cleaner on without a pass, why not ask the organization that made that rule? And your MP, while you are at it, since the government ultimately make the transport rules and your MP can question ministers.
Perhaps it could have something to do with a stunt by a journalist who planted stuff on a plane a few years ago, whilst posing as a cleaner or caterer?
Apart from revenue protection, why do Ryanair and others insist on photo IDs for domestic flights? Compliance with UK Govt regulations? - nope.
Does it really matter that Pamann or JulieHoolie checked in, so long as you were security screened and remained the same person, as you described?
BTW, I am a frequent traveller, so do take security pretty seriously, as probability says its more likely to happen to me, than to most pax, but how paranoid do you want to be?
If you wish to know why you can't let a cleaner on without a pass, why not ask the organization that made that rule? And your MP, while you are at it, since the government ultimately make the transport rules and your MP can question ministers.
Perhaps it could have something to do with a stunt by a journalist who planted stuff on a plane a few years ago, whilst posing as a cleaner or caterer?
Apart from revenue protection, why do Ryanair and others insist on photo IDs for domestic flights? Compliance with UK Govt regulations? - nope.
Does it really matter that Pamann or JulieHoolie checked in, so long as you were security screened and remained the same person, as you described?
BTW, I am a frequent traveller, so do take security pretty seriously, as probability says its more likely to happen to me, than to most pax, but how paranoid do you want to be?
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mmmmm....
I checked in at T4 a few days ago (hand luggage only) and ended up waiting in a security line, including time in a tent for well over an hour, having checked in a -2.5hrs.
If I'd checked in at -45, I'd have missed the flight, as simple as that.
Anyway, we're talking international departures, so not directly relevant to Pamann's point.
I checked in at T4 a few days ago (hand luggage only) and ended up waiting in a security line, including time in a tent for well over an hour, having checked in a -2.5hrs.
If I'd checked in at -45, I'd have missed the flight, as simple as that.
Anyway, we're talking international departures, so not directly relevant to Pamann's point.
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30 mins - that cant be secure can it 
Anyway, all the CCTV in the UK now can probably track the greenhouse gas generating offender known as the passenger from home to the airport, using number plate and face recognition technology to match them to their ticket, so I don't understand Pamann's problem anyway
Perhaps the cameras will issue a fixed penalty notice for the flight length - EDI, that will be a tenner, New York fifty etc
Anyway, all the CCTV in the UK now can probably track the greenhouse gas generating offender known as the passenger from home to the airport, using number plate and face recognition technology to match them to their ticket, so I don't understand Pamann's problem anyway
Perhaps the cameras will issue a fixed penalty notice for the flight length - EDI, that will be a tenner, New York fifty etc
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In the past 4.5 years, there have been no further 9/11 incidents.
The 09/11 atrocity took seven years of planning - don't let's forget that the organisation behind these Islamic extremist groups is very, very patient! They are just waiting for the vigilance to drop (as it is already due to commercial pressures and the very short memory frequent travellers have!)
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Your'e entitled to your opinion, but I believe that Pamann and you are reacting hysterically.
Did you know that around 1,000 people die each year in accidents on UK roads?
That's about 4,500 since 9/11.
How many UK citizens are killed every year in terrorist attacks?
Ultimately, no one can stop a terrorist who is prepared to die - a point well made by the 7/7 bombs in London, but the numbers do not support your view.
I will not call you a fool, as I find that intemperate and insulting, but I do wonder how much you have thought through the argument.
Sure, I could be killed by terrorists next week, but the numbers suggest it is a far less probable event than dieing in a road accident.
Consequently, I am very suspicious of people who use "security" arguments to create a fear of the bogeyman and their underlying motives.
Your'e entitled to your opinion, but I believe that Pamann and you are reacting hysterically.
Did you know that around 1,000 people die each year in accidents on UK roads?
That's about 4,500 since 9/11.
How many UK citizens are killed every year in terrorist attacks?
Ultimately, no one can stop a terrorist who is prepared to die - a point well made by the 7/7 bombs in London, but the numbers do not support your view.
I will not call you a fool, as I find that intemperate and insulting, but I do wonder how much you have thought through the argument.
Sure, I could be killed by terrorists next week, but the numbers suggest it is a far less probable event than dieing in a road accident.
Consequently, I am very suspicious of people who use "security" arguments to create a fear of the bogeyman and their underlying motives.
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Okay - my apologies for the insult, FTG!
My opinion, FWIW, is based on fact. Having worked in the Armed Forces against the IRA (who suddenly find themselves converted from "terrorists" to a "political party" in the name of Sinn Fenn, and we are expected to forgive them!) I can tell you that terrorists, whatever their beliefs, tend to be fanatical and do not think in the same, rational way as most people!
Asking for proof of identity from all airline passengers is not difficult for airline staff to request, or for bona fide passengers to provide. All I ask is why should this create such a big deal???
After all, a simple request for ID makes it that much more difficult for terrorist cells (and the security forces know of at least 15 active units in the Home Counties!) to move around with impunity.
..........Unless, of course, the security forces want these organisations to show their hand so they can close in for the kill!
Oh.......and FTG, we had exactly the same arguments this side of the water when we were dealing with the IRA - until the Harrods bombing!!!
My opinion, FWIW, is based on fact. Having worked in the Armed Forces against the IRA (who suddenly find themselves converted from "terrorists" to a "political party" in the name of Sinn Fenn, and we are expected to forgive them!) I can tell you that terrorists, whatever their beliefs, tend to be fanatical and do not think in the same, rational way as most people!
Asking for proof of identity from all airline passengers is not difficult for airline staff to request, or for bona fide passengers to provide. All I ask is why should this create such a big deal???
After all, a simple request for ID makes it that much more difficult for terrorist cells (and the security forces know of at least 15 active units in the Home Counties!) to move around with impunity.
..........Unless, of course, the security forces want these organisations to show their hand so they can close in for the kill!
Oh.......and FTG, we had exactly the same arguments this side of the water when we were dealing with the IRA - until the Harrods bombing!!!
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Originally Posted by bealine
Asking for proof of identity from all airline passengers is not difficult for airline staff to request, or for bona fide passengers to provide. All I ask is why should this create such a big deal???
After all, a simple request for ID makes it that much more difficult for terrorist cells (and the security forces know of at least 15 active units in the Home Counties!) to move around with impunity.
After all, a simple request for ID makes it that much more difficult for terrorist cells (and the security forces know of at least 15 active units in the Home Counties!) to move around with impunity.
Demanding ID to stop terrorists moving around is a different matter. Proof of identity may do something to reduce the ease with which they can do that - although I also have my doubts given the nature of the terrorists who seem to walk the earth these days, and the readiness with which they seem to be able to get false ID when they wish.
What doesn't help is when these two quite separate aspects of security and counter-terrorism get mixed up in some muddled thinking.
The requirement imposed by some low-fare carriers for domestic flights should therefore be seen for exactly what it is: revenue protection (perfectly legitimate, but nothing to do with security). The requirement by everyone for ID for all international flights is also perfectly legitimate for immigration control reasons (including reducing the international movement of terrorists). None of this provides any good reason for demanding that legacy carriers require photo ID of domestic passengers if they think that their revenue protection systems do not require it.
