Ryanair refuses Minister for Tourism
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Ryanair refuses Minister for Tourism
Wohoo - this'll cause a few ripples 
Minister for Tourism refused admission to Ryanair flight*
06/03/2006 - 9:56:50 AM
Minister for Tourism John O'Donoghue was reportedly refused permission to board a Ryanair flight at Cork Airport yesterday.
Reports this morning said the minister was due to fly to Dublin yesterday morning to record an interview with a television show, but had failed to bring any picture identification with him..
As a result, he was refused admission to the Ryanair flight under the airline's policy of not carrying any passengers who cannot produce a passport, driving licence or national identity card.
This morning's reports said officials at Cork Airport had offered to mediate between the minister and the airline, but Ryanair insisted that it would not be making any exceptions to its policy.
source: http://www.breakingnews.ie/text/stor...x&n=3718067&x=
Minister for Tourism refused admission to Ryanair flight*
06/03/2006 - 9:56:50 AM
Minister for Tourism John O'Donoghue was reportedly refused permission to board a Ryanair flight at Cork Airport yesterday.
Reports this morning said the minister was due to fly to Dublin yesterday morning to record an interview with a television show, but had failed to bring any picture identification with him..
As a result, he was refused admission to the Ryanair flight under the airline's policy of not carrying any passengers who cannot produce a passport, driving licence or national identity card.
This morning's reports said officials at Cork Airport had offered to mediate between the minister and the airline, but Ryanair insisted that it would not be making any exceptions to its policy.
source: http://www.breakingnews.ie/text/stor...x&n=3718067&x=
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I can't see what RYR have done wrong here. He didn't have ID, so wasn't allowed on. This policy is obviously for all, if you start allowing exceptions, then where do you draw the line?
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Cant see the problem
Didn't even know who John O'Donoghue was until 10 mins ago. Seems like another pax who forgot his passport and was declined travel. I hope this wasn't another RYR bash coz I can't see any issue. A policy needs to be followed, regardless. It isn't just an advisory or a recommendation, it is RYR policy to have a form of Government issued photographic ID (or whatever it is) so if you aint got it then it's a no go.
Just as interesting as the title "Single dad of 2 refused travel for forgetting passport." Will probaly get the same response.
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Just as interesting as the title "Single dad of 2 refused travel for forgetting passport." Will probaly get the same response.
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I have to agree with SAS. I can't help feeling that Ryanair would be getting slated now if they had made an exception for the minister.
On this occasion (unpopular as its going to be) I would have to say I think they did the right thing.
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On this occasion (unpopular as its going to be) I would have to say I think they did the right thing.
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Normally, I welcome the opportunity for a bit of RYR bashing!!!
However, on this occasion, Ryanair behaved absolutely correctly! Over the years, how many people have RYR and EZY turned away through having no picture ID??? Would making an exception be fair on those people???
My employers, as yet, have no requirement for Photo ID on Domestic services. Personally, I think that is a grave error of judgement and RYR and EZY at least have this policy right!!!
However, on this occasion, Ryanair behaved absolutely correctly! Over the years, how many people have RYR and EZY turned away through having no picture ID??? Would making an exception be fair on those people???
My employers, as yet, have no requirement for Photo ID on Domestic services. Personally, I think that is a grave error of judgement and RYR and EZY at least have this policy right!!!
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What exactly did Ryanair do that was wrong for following thier policies and procedures regarding having a passport? Surely Mr. O'Donoghue does not think he is above the travelling public? If anything Mr. O'Donoghue, the minister of tourism should have his peepee slapped for not being up to date on airline travel requirements... having a passport. After all, in defence of Ryanair, the subject of passports, its on their web site. It isn't a secret.
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But Baron, unless Ryanair actually contacted the press to point out what they'd done, you can't accuse them (as you seem to be doing) of deliberately courting publicity.
As previous posters have said, the guy didn't bring suitable ID so he was refused onto the plane -- as you would have been and I would have been in the same situation. Good, serves the silly old fool right.
As previous posters have said, the guy didn't bring suitable ID so he was refused onto the plane -- as you would have been and I would have been in the same situation. Good, serves the silly old fool right.
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I think the tone of this thread puts paid to those allegations of unfair Ryan bashing on PPRuNe.
are you sure that aren't just plants to keep the name in front of us all
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Agreed - although would Ryanair have done the same for someone more well-known? And if so, does it not start smacking of jobsworth?
I think there's a danger of losing sight of the reason for photo ID - it's purely to prove you're who you say you are. And that's all. If that's achieved more effectively in other ways then surely photo ID becomes irrelevant and, worse, even gets in the way of common sense.
There's a case for asking Joe Public for photo ID: it's because no-one recognises us. I'm sure the minister isn't widely recognised either. But I think there comes a point where people begin concentrating so much on the rules themselves that they start losing sight of the all-important reason for them.
Remember Douglas Bader? Rules are for the obedience of fools, and the guidance of wise men...
I think there's a danger of losing sight of the reason for photo ID - it's purely to prove you're who you say you are. And that's all. If that's achieved more effectively in other ways then surely photo ID becomes irrelevant and, worse, even gets in the way of common sense.
There's a case for asking Joe Public for photo ID: it's because no-one recognises us. I'm sure the minister isn't widely recognised either. But I think there comes a point where people begin concentrating so much on the rules themselves that they start losing sight of the all-important reason for them.
Remember Douglas Bader? Rules are for the obedience of fools, and the guidance of wise men...
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As the thread-starter I would just like to quickly point out that I didn't argue that Ryanair were right or wrong in doing this - just that the action would cause a few ripples ..... which it most certainly will.
Sure Ryanair have a well-known policy and there's a logical argument that it should be applied across the board regardless of passenger
Then you have the other side which KC has pointed out which states that the rules are there for a purpose. If this purpose can be achieved by other means then is there a case for using them? For example Tony Blair, George Bush or the Queen (would a sterling note count as valid photo I.D.?) arriving, however unlikely, at a Ryanair check-in desk without the normally accepted forms of photo-id. How about Mick O'Leary himself?
I'm not taking sides, just pointing out that both have their merits
Sure Ryanair have a well-known policy and there's a logical argument that it should be applied across the board regardless of passenger
Then you have the other side which KC has pointed out which states that the rules are there for a purpose. If this purpose can be achieved by other means then is there a case for using them? For example Tony Blair, George Bush or the Queen (would a sterling note count as valid photo I.D.?) arriving, however unlikely, at a Ryanair check-in desk without the normally accepted forms of photo-id. How about Mick O'Leary himself?
I'm not taking sides, just pointing out that both have their merits
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For example Tony Blair, George Bush or the Queen (would a sterling note count as valid photo I.D.?) arriving, however unlikely, at a Ryanair check-in desk without the normally accepted forms of photo-id. How about Mick O'Leary himself?
I'm not taking sides, just pointing out that both have their merits
I'm not taking sides, just pointing out that both have their merits
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Originally Posted by Say again s l o w l y
I can't see what RYR have done wrong here. He didn't have ID, so wasn't allowed on. This policy is obviously for all, if you start allowing exceptions, then where do you draw the line?
Let's say 1-2% (for example) of passengers forget to bring some form of photo ID. That is 1-2% of already bought seats freed up to go on sale at last minute top prices. That is a LOT of money with the number of pax Ryanair flys. And that is why I have never heard of ANY exception being made to the rule.
Remember, Ryanair brought this policy in long before there was any requirement to have photo ID between the UK and Ireland, never mind within Ireland itself.
After all, you don't need any ID to catch a bus from Cork to Dublin, whoever you are.
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the alternative to FR is an Aer Arann ATR or the train since EI no longer serve DUB from ORK
Does anyone know if RE have a pic ID requirement? I can't remember from the last time I flew with them about four years ago.
the alternative to FR is an Aer Arann ATR or the train since EI no longer serve DUB from ORK
Does anyone know if RE have a pic ID requirement? I can't remember from the last time I flew with them about four years ago.
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I always thought a large part of "personal I.D." is to stop peeps buying low cost tickets and then selling them on at a mark-up .... 
why go with Ryanair? ... well Ryanair are currently moving something like 33,000,000 pas a year ..... very often, if you dont go Ryanair then you simply don't go !!!! ....
why go with Ryanair? ... well Ryanair are currently moving something like 33,000,000 pas a year ..... very often, if you dont go Ryanair then you simply don't go !!!! ....
