RyanAir Firm Landings
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No. Usually 747's & 767's. Sorry, I recall one 747 landing @ Sydney that was the perfect greaser (usually the norm on a Jumbo); however a pax suggested that Capt must have been ex-BA.......
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For what it's worth I've flown classics both 3s and 4s and now some 4000hrs on the 800's and I can promise you she (the mighty 800) can be a funny bitch! Ya can get it right, right and right again and every now again she catches you out....... Don't be too hard on the young guns at the front - I can promise you they want the greaser more than you! 
i have been told that Boeing recommend a firm landing for the -800, partly to ensure all the weight-on-wheels sensors operate. Mind you, I have also been on the end of a few Ryanair downwind landings as well. I reckon about 1 in 5 of my landings in light aircraft is a bit lumpy- always when someone important is watching !
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Many thanks one and all for the replies and explanations. I didn't realise there was a culture of bashing Ryan Air - my post was certainly not intended to be in that ilk, and I was careful to describe the landing as "firm" rather than "heavy" or "ohmygodhavewecrashed". I also didn't know that aircraft had autoland and how it is activated. But thanks to the posts and links on this thread I do now.
So as a humble piece of inquisitive SLF, I now feel suitably educated by the experts.
So as a humble piece of inquisitive SLF, I now feel suitably educated by the experts.
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As others have mentioned, we 'young guns' enjoy a greaser up the front as much as you do down the back. Sometimes it just isn't possible - if it's a windy day and the aircraft you are sitting in is approaching a short lumpy runway (Leeds and Bristol spring to mind
) then don't expect one. Other times of course we get caught out, I'll admit to that - as the Wing Commander points out the NG is a twitchy bugger near the ground. Airbus pilots, so I am told, have no such excuse
) then don't expect one. Other times of course we get caught out, I'll admit to that - as the Wing Commander points out the NG is a twitchy bugger near the ground. Airbus pilots, so I am told, have no such excuse
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Now all Ryanscare need is a few of "those who know how" to prove that a lack of experience in their flightdecks is the real reason for the planting of their aircraft on a regular basis. Any truth in the rumor your CC carry watering cans?
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What do you consider cobblers, the bit about the 737 or the bit about the bus?
As for the watering cans, I guess you would have to ask someone who actually works for Ryanair about that one. But jack has a point, lack of experience is a terrible thing.
What do you consider cobblers, the bit about the 737 or the bit about the bus?
As for the watering cans, I guess you would have to ask someone who actually works for Ryanair about that one. But jack has a point, lack of experience is a terrible thing.
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When you have capt's with less than 4000hrs and f/o's with less than 400hrs then things happen I'm afraid. The combined experience in that flightdeck is not enough to get command in any reputable airline. With the attention the Ciampino, Skavsta and Beauvais incidents are getting perhaps the wheels are starting to come off this flying circus. Luck is all that's prevented FR from having a very serious accident. Of course there are experienced people in the airline but they are spread too thin and the company is at a point where it will accept anything that meets the min requirements to get aircraft in the air. The David Learmont article discussed elsewhere on pprune makes for excellent reading.
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I agree with some of what you are saying jack. They certainly have a crewing shortage, the fact they are using Eirjet aircraft and crew to operate some services at the moment is proof enough of that. The incident at Skavsta was worrying but the Ciampino one had nothing to do with lack of experience, in fact the situation was well handled by a relatively inexperienced FO.
I don't know what criteria you apply when considering if an operator is 'reputable', but the company I work for is certainly reputable in terms of its approach to safety, training and standards and a command with 4,400 (relevant) hours is quite possible with us.
I don't know what criteria you apply when considering if an operator is 'reputable', but the company I work for is certainly reputable in terms of its approach to safety, training and standards and a command with 4,400 (relevant) hours is quite possible with us.
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the Ciampino one had nothing to do with lack of experience, in fact the situation was well handled by a relatively inexperienced FO.
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Originally Posted by jackbauer
I have spoken to someone who has seen the parameters from the DFDR recorded on the day and there is a lot more to this than we are hearing.
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When you have capt's with less than 4000hrs and f/o's with less than 400hrs then things happen I'm afraid. The combined experience in that flightdeck is not enough to get command in any reputable airline.
Flybe - do you count them as reputable? Probably the same. BA Connect / Citiexpress probably the same. Pretty standard in the Part A / Vol 1 that upgrade commanders can have 3500 hours if X hours is on company aircraft.
What great knowledge or experience allows you to decide that 4000 hours for a commander is inadequate in some way, or that 400 hours for an F/O is inadequate?
What exactly constitutes a reputable as opposed to a disreputable airline?
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Oh come on, you are not seriously comparing FR with all those reputable airlines you mentioned are you? The dogs in the street know the kind of gash outfit we are talking about here and how the corners are cut at every opportunity. With all the incidents being talked about on prune and all the internal disputes, court cases and a loose cannon ceo, you will have them rolling in the aisles with this one. Given the choice of my family flying with a BA 4000 hour Capt (if such exists) and an FR 4000 hour capt I know which one the majority here would choose. Don't embarrass yourself with this drivel!! When was the last time a BA Chief training Capt failed his sim check TWICE in a row? I'll wager never, can you say the same about FR.....eh NO you can't, and he's still in that position today. Utter nonsense and cronyism abounds and you think it's reputable..jeez!!
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You didn't answer the questions!!!
Unless the ticket price is wildly expensive and FR serve the same area and the majority would probably elect to have the cheaper ticket and save you some money whilst flying your family on a nice shiny new 737NG which hasn't been maintained by BA. 
The opinion of that most venerable British institution on your "reputable" airline is here
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...965953,00.html
Given the choice of my family flying with a BA 4000 hour Capt (if such exists) and an FR 4000 hour capt I know which one the majority here would choose
The opinion of that most venerable British institution on your "reputable" airline is here
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...965953,00.html
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When was the last time a BA Chief training Capt failed his sim check TWICE in a row? I'll wager never, can you say the same about FR?
Oh, Well off to Ancona on Tuesday with Ryanair. I expect the usual firm down wind landing. But it's a shiny new aeroplane and I have an even chance of understanding the safety/cabin announcements. The landings are FIRM, no more than that.