Easyjet
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: glasgow
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Turnrounds
Sorry, but some of you have missed the point.
To improve punctuality stats, the loco's inflate the booked timings. Eg GLA - STN timetable 1h25min, actual time 1h 5min. If they leave on time, no delays enroute, they get extra 20 mins turnround. If they leave up to 20 mins late they still arrive "on time". When this happens turnround time is squeezed but the actuality is the next flight is late departing. Hopefully they catch up at some point. Or not - I've seen morning GLA-STN an hour late, evening STN-GLA 2hrs late, things got worse during the day!
To improve punctuality stats, the loco's inflate the booked timings. Eg GLA - STN timetable 1h25min, actual time 1h 5min. If they leave on time, no delays enroute, they get extra 20 mins turnround. If they leave up to 20 mins late they still arrive "on time". When this happens turnround time is squeezed but the actuality is the next flight is late departing. Hopefully they catch up at some point. Or not - I've seen morning GLA-STN an hour late, evening STN-GLA 2hrs late, things got worse during the day!
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 512
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think you will find that inflating flight times was a trick the locos learned from the majors. Look how much longer it takes BA to fly to Paris these days compared to 30 years ago!
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: London
Posts: 137
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Another way to look at Easyjet is to think who the competition is. It's not always the other airlines, but also railways and coaches in the UK, (and Eurostar for short haul Europe).
If you want to travel from Bristol to Newcastle, or Nottingham to Edinbugh (or even Newcastle to Essex), then previously you had the trains or coaches. Think of the M5/M42/M1/M18/A1M and the jams / accidents / stress, and compare that to flying. Alternatively, if you live in Chelmsford / Cambridge, think of the train to London, crossing from Liverpool St. to Kings+ and then standing for 4 hours.
London to Paris, fly or Eurostar, which is cheaper and quicker? Which is more convenient?
(the marketing concept is strategic space, also look at Porter's 5 forces to analyse the competition)
When I visit my inlaws half way beteen Glasgow and Edinburgh, I can fly up first flight from Luton and be there for 10.30, and leave just after Sunday lunch, and still get back home to watch a bit of TV and enjoy a galss of wine. A one night visit is impossible any other way.
If you want to travel from Bristol to Newcastle, or Nottingham to Edinbugh (or even Newcastle to Essex), then previously you had the trains or coaches. Think of the M5/M42/M1/M18/A1M and the jams / accidents / stress, and compare that to flying. Alternatively, if you live in Chelmsford / Cambridge, think of the train to London, crossing from Liverpool St. to Kings+ and then standing for 4 hours.
London to Paris, fly or Eurostar, which is cheaper and quicker? Which is more convenient?
(the marketing concept is strategic space, also look at Porter's 5 forces to analyse the competition)
When I visit my inlaws half way beteen Glasgow and Edinburgh, I can fly up first flight from Luton and be there for 10.30, and leave just after Sunday lunch, and still get back home to watch a bit of TV and enjoy a galss of wine. A one night visit is impossible any other way.
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: N/A
Posts: 156
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Look how much longer it takes BA to fly to Paris these days compared to 30 years ago!
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Up north
Posts: 1,660
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
B****T!
bealine - Your comments regarding low cost airlines and safety is TOTAL B****T!! How the hell can you make a statement like that??!! You have NO idea what you're talking about!!
If you REALLY wanna know what the real world looks like, just check the stat's and compare "traditional" airlines with low cost ones and YOU will be surprised.... For the rest of us, it’s just something we already knew...
Do you really think that the CAA would just sit back and watch "us" while we were an accident about to happen??
As stated before here, the only reason we can't turn around in LESS time (My GOD, did I say LESS??) is because you can't get 300 people in and out of a tube full of seats in much less time then that! And IF, for some reason, we are NOT ready to board to make on time dep. Well, then we wait until we ARE READY! Simple as that!! I would NEVER accept boarding if the CC told me "We are not ready yet" and I think this goes for ALL of my fellow colleagues!
You see bealine, the fact that we are low cost operators makes the public and authorities much more critical when writing about us, keeping audits etc. IF "we" have an incident it’s always looked upon as "a result of driving down costs, resulting in safety issues" BUT if the same thing happens to for example BA, Lufthansa, Air France etc. then it seems to be considered "a flaw in a safety orientated system, something that "we have to accept" something that "WILL happen when doing xxxx flights per day, year" blablabla...
"WE" cannot afford to be cheap when it comes to safety! PERIOD!! I’m not saying that low cost airlines are perfect...FAR FROM THAT! But I know, at least when it comes to the orange world, that safety is something that is considered very important and that costs are never to affect safety...
A few weeks ago I was travelling back to the UK after visiting friends and during the flight I started talking to the person sitting next to me. After a while we got into talking about work.... I was asked "So, what do you work with?", I told this person I was a pilot and blabla....just the usual chatting... This person was quite interested, excited and started to ask a few q´s and stuff... After a while I was asked "What airline do you work for?" I answered and got a "Ohh...ok... Do you have the same training as other pilots then?"
bealine - Was that you sitting next to me????? 
If you REALLY wanna know what the real world looks like, just check the stat's and compare "traditional" airlines with low cost ones and YOU will be surprised.... For the rest of us, it’s just something we already knew...
Do you really think that the CAA would just sit back and watch "us" while we were an accident about to happen??
As stated before here, the only reason we can't turn around in LESS time (My GOD, did I say LESS??) is because you can't get 300 people in and out of a tube full of seats in much less time then that! And IF, for some reason, we are NOT ready to board to make on time dep. Well, then we wait until we ARE READY! Simple as that!! I would NEVER accept boarding if the CC told me "We are not ready yet" and I think this goes for ALL of my fellow colleagues!
You see bealine, the fact that we are low cost operators makes the public and authorities much more critical when writing about us, keeping audits etc. IF "we" have an incident it’s always looked upon as "a result of driving down costs, resulting in safety issues" BUT if the same thing happens to for example BA, Lufthansa, Air France etc. then it seems to be considered "a flaw in a safety orientated system, something that "we have to accept" something that "WILL happen when doing xxxx flights per day, year" blablabla...
"WE" cannot afford to be cheap when it comes to safety! PERIOD!! I’m not saying that low cost airlines are perfect...FAR FROM THAT! But I know, at least when it comes to the orange world, that safety is something that is considered very important and that costs are never to affect safety...
A few weeks ago I was travelling back to the UK after visiting friends and during the flight I started talking to the person sitting next to me. After a while we got into talking about work.... I was asked "So, what do you work with?", I told this person I was a pilot and blabla....just the usual chatting... This person was quite interested, excited and started to ask a few q´s and stuff... After a while I was asked "What airline do you work for?" I answered and got a "Ohh...ok... Do you have the same training as other pilots then?"
bealine - Was that you sitting next to me?????
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Bristol
Posts: 313
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Cosworth211:
Easyjet:
Some things they do right:
1) The website is easy to use
2) Friendly cabin crews and relaxed on-board atmosphere
3) On occasion, comedy announcements that make the passengers laugh!
4) Decent fares (and sometimes free seats!) if you book early enough.
5) The leg room is adequate even for me, and I'm over 6ft 5in tall!
Some things they do wrong:
1) Boarding procedures need some attention (mentioned elsewhere) especially if using buses on remote stands.
2) 20 minute turn-round times = more potential for delays.
3) Reference the TV program, practically every episode features irate passengers ranting on about how crap Easyjet are. I don't agree with Easy's apparent view that any publicity is good publicity!
4) From a purely financial viewpoint, Easy's policy is that they don't carry cargo. Why not? There's money in it!
Of all the locos I reckon Easy have the best overall business model. It seems to work - few flights have less than 90-100 passengers on board, so they're doing something right!
Hope this helps - I can't think of anything else at the minute!
Easyjet:
Some things they do right:
1) The website is easy to use
2) Friendly cabin crews and relaxed on-board atmosphere
3) On occasion, comedy announcements that make the passengers laugh!
4) Decent fares (and sometimes free seats!) if you book early enough.
5) The leg room is adequate even for me, and I'm over 6ft 5in tall!
Some things they do wrong:
1) Boarding procedures need some attention (mentioned elsewhere) especially if using buses on remote stands.
2) 20 minute turn-round times = more potential for delays.
3) Reference the TV program, practically every episode features irate passengers ranting on about how crap Easyjet are. I don't agree with Easy's apparent view that any publicity is good publicity!
4) From a purely financial viewpoint, Easy's policy is that they don't carry cargo. Why not? There's money in it!
Of all the locos I reckon Easy have the best overall business model. It seems to work - few flights have less than 90-100 passengers on board, so they're doing something right!
Hope this helps - I can't think of anything else at the minute!
