metal cutlery and nail scissors
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Just got back from HKG flying Lufthansa. In the check in area (after the check in desks and just before security, they are selling Swiss Army knifes and nail scissors. Seems a little silly, as these shops are frequented by travellers after they have checked in their luggage.
Also had a lovely meal in business class with metal cutlery. Also had metal cutlery 2 weeks ago on a flight into the US.
Also had a lovely meal in business class with metal cutlery. Also had metal cutlery 2 weeks ago on a flight into the US.
You must be implying these things are a safety risk? Or, (gasp, horror) a security risk. If so, why? I'd argue it's the 'security' rules that are inapropriate, not the sale of SAKs or the availability of decent cutlery.
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Tinstaff - I dont really understand your e-mail - but to clarify for you.... I was making the statement that it is really a little inappropriate to be receiving a metal knife duiring my meal after they have confiscated my nail scissors at security...
Hope that this clears it up for you....
Hope that this clears it up for you....
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an-124: In the check in area (after the check in desks and just before security, they are selling Swiss Army knifes and nail scissors. Seems a little silly, as these shops are frequented by travellers after they have checked in their luggage.
I agree about the metal knives, though - many of the plastic knives being issued by airlines now are sharper and can cut more stuff then the airlines' metal knives ever could.
Email? What email? 
Anyway, what's inappropriate is confiscating pocket knives, leathermans etc etc ad nauseaum.
So a potential hijacker needs to use a convenient bottle or piece of plastic, or spectacles, or sharp pencil/fountain pen, or just about anything else in the world than can be made somewhat pointed, sharp, jagged &/or poisoned. Big deal for them. Not.
The major reason for the success of the WTC hijack was the previously advocated position to quietly submit to demands. Not the case anymore. Look at the lack of success (from the hijackers P.O.V.) from the plane where there was some limited, & late, resistance.
Bet resistance won't ever be limited or late again. How helpful it would be if *everyone* on the a/c had their pocket knives, screwdrivers, hockey sticks etc to help their effort.
Unless you believe that the vast majority of passengers are hijackers?
Anyway, what's inappropriate is confiscating pocket knives, leathermans etc etc ad nauseaum.
So a potential hijacker needs to use a convenient bottle or piece of plastic, or spectacles, or sharp pencil/fountain pen, or just about anything else in the world than can be made somewhat pointed, sharp, jagged &/or poisoned. Big deal for them. Not.
The major reason for the success of the WTC hijack was the previously advocated position to quietly submit to demands. Not the case anymore. Look at the lack of success (from the hijackers P.O.V.) from the plane where there was some limited, & late, resistance.
Bet resistance won't ever be limited or late again. How helpful it would be if *everyone* on the a/c had their pocket knives, screwdrivers, hockey sticks etc to help their effort.
Unless you believe that the vast majority of passengers are hijackers?
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Globaliser - I had not thought about non-flying customers.. - I wonder what the percentage of these customers are non-flying..??
Anyone know?
Tin staff - Don't know what your problem is... - I have offered no opinion/s on who i think is - or is not a terroist.
I was merely making the point that it is inappropriate to have your leatherman etc confiscated and then be given a metal knife during the flight.
Anyone else with anything substantial to contribute please feel free.
Anyone know?
Tin staff - Don't know what your problem is... - I have offered no opinion/s on who i think is - or is not a terroist.
I was merely making the point that it is inappropriate to have your leatherman etc confiscated and then be given a metal knife during the flight.
Anyone else with anything substantial to contribute please feel free.
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an-124: Globaliser - I had not thought about non-flying customers.. - I wonder what the percentage of these customers are non-flying..??
Anyone know?
Anyone know?
One thing that does add to the numbers at CLK, though - if your parents have driven you all the way out to the airport (as mine usually do), it's a bit churlish to just jump out of the car and send them away. So I expect there are a number of people giving lifts who might have dropped and gone at Kai Tak who now stop at CLK to have a break, a drink and a browse.
One other thing: When the airport opened, the Airport Express was selling train tickets there as an excursion, irrespective of whether people had any business being there. In a place as devoid of interesting entertainment as Hong Kong, a trip to the airport suddenly seems exciting. I don't know how much this is now pushed, but there will be a level of day-tripping going on that's not related to travel at all.
To hopefully elucidate for An124:
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to which I queried "...What email?".
Why would you think I have a problem when you're the one who seems confused?
To return to your topic: My points don't disagree with yours. Rather, they embrace them to some extent. Yes, it *is* inappropriate to have your leatherman confiscated. Period.
No, it's not inappropriate to have metal cutlery. The metal cutlery isn't what makes having your pocket knife confiscated innapropriate. That's the fault of paranoid bureaucrats making ineffective rules.
From An-124
Tinstaff - I dont really understand your e-mail...
Why would you think I have a problem when you're the one who seems confused?
To return to your topic: My points don't disagree with yours. Rather, they embrace them to some extent. Yes, it *is* inappropriate to have your leatherman confiscated. Period.
No, it's not inappropriate to have metal cutlery. The metal cutlery isn't what makes having your pocket knife confiscated innapropriate. That's the fault of paranoid bureaucrats making ineffective rules.
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That is not the weirdest thing. Yesterday my son had his skateboard (in a bag, that the airline check in staff said he could carry as hand luggage) confiscated for security reasons by security staff. Why a skateboard was a security threat and not the 2 electric guitars I saw a passenger carrying, ot the 20cm hat pins I saw on another, is a mistery.
But my best guess is those rules are made by incompetent overpaid morons.
But my best guess is those rules are made by incompetent overpaid morons.
captcat ..... had the same problem at Las Vegas two years ago . Son bought a mini skateboard ( approx 40 cms long ) which was rejected by 'security' (in the line) before going to the gate - was posted here on Pprune - had to return and check it in , SWA were very good and couldn't understand it either , thought it a cute board ! Flight from LAX to FRA - no problem . Just a thick necked nobody using his power (hahaha!)
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Tinstaafl , an-124 is trying to make a valid point.
Why sell Swiss Army knives before getting on a plane only to have them confiscated at security...
and then get a steel knife to eat your steak with on board.
Why sell Swiss Army knives before getting on a plane only to have them confiscated at security...
and then get a steel knife to eat your steak with on board.
Only half a speed-brake
To boost sales, nay? You´ve never had a Swiss Army knife until you´ve had one, ha, ha....
On a different note, my employer provides metal cuttlery (standard - no steak knives) with meals. Except on flights that enter UK territory, plastic is the standard on UK, Ireland, and overseas destinations. Needles to say, I have never cut my finger with a METAL knife...
FD.
On a different note, my employer provides metal cuttlery (standard - no steak knives) with meals. Except on flights that enter UK territory, plastic is the standard on UK, Ireland, and overseas destinations. Needles to say, I have never cut my finger with a METAL knife...
FD.
