Paper tickets vs e-tickets
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Write PNR locator, flight numbers, dates and booking classes onto a yellow Post-It note, and stick it on the passport page opposite personal details - works a treat.
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redfred: dont bother just say im going to xxxx and my names xxxx thats all we need to find you.....
When they aren't ... well, there's a reason why I started doing what I do!
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I flew with easyJet last week EDI-LTN-EDI and on both legs, I put on the counter my ID & paper ticket. On both legs, they didn't even pick up my paper copy, just looked at my ID, checked it was me and put my name into the system to come up for the booking ... it seems it varies from some airlines to others....
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I have found that many prefer to key in your name as it is easier than the ref number. If the person's name is Eddington, say, 
then it is still easier to type a longer name that you 'know' than a shorter number that you have to look at on the paper and check carefully.
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then it is still easier to type a longer name that you 'know' than a shorter number that you have to look at on the paper and check carefully.--------------------
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FYI - I have been told that a paper (carbon) ticket costs around $25 AUD to make. So sooner or later all companies will go with the e-ticket and pass the savings onto the traveller, shareholder and CEO (and not in that particular order).
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Indeed. The bank's rapidly discovered the savings to be made with 'hole-in-the-wall' ATMs and then on-line banking. One day, they may even pass some of the savings on to their customers. 
All airlines will go ticketless and many routine small 'cash' payments will be via smart card and/or your mobile (cell) phone. Trimming even 1 cent from a transaction is worth it - if there are millions of transactions each year.
The technology already exists for you to download ticketing data and confirmation number to your own smart card (Chip or RFID based) and then Swipe this on arrival. At the mooment, you have to be a member of a FF scheme for this to work. The intention is that as many people as possible should have smart ID cards. The only drag on this is the cost of implementation and who will pay and, of course, public acceptance.
For example, when automated credit and charge card authorisation was introduced into the UK in 1983, the technology existed for this to print the Record of Charge (ROC) but the banks, card companies and retailers could not agree on who would pay. The banks stood to gain the most so, naturally, they wanted the retailer to pay.
Secondly, the technology existed in 1983 to make a fully automated payment. The buzz word was EFTPoS, Electronic Funds Transfer at the Point of Sale. This could have effected direct transfer within minutes from your account to the retailer. True, there was not enough capacity in the system for the whole of the UK, but all the technology was there.
The local ROC printing was implemented some ten years after the 'Swipe Telephones/Machines' were introduced and full EFTPOS with instant transfer of funds has still not be implemented in the UK. The banks make too much money for them to give us control of our own money.
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"I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you any different." Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
All airlines will go ticketless and many routine small 'cash' payments will be via smart card and/or your mobile (cell) phone. Trimming even 1 cent from a transaction is worth it - if there are millions of transactions each year.
The technology already exists for you to download ticketing data and confirmation number to your own smart card (Chip or RFID based) and then Swipe this on arrival. At the mooment, you have to be a member of a FF scheme for this to work. The intention is that as many people as possible should have smart ID cards. The only drag on this is the cost of implementation and who will pay and, of course, public acceptance.
For example, when automated credit and charge card authorisation was introduced into the UK in 1983, the technology existed for this to print the Record of Charge (ROC) but the banks, card companies and retailers could not agree on who would pay. The banks stood to gain the most so, naturally, they wanted the retailer to pay.
Secondly, the technology existed in 1983 to make a fully automated payment. The buzz word was EFTPoS, Electronic Funds Transfer at the Point of Sale. This could have effected direct transfer within minutes from your account to the retailer. True, there was not enough capacity in the system for the whole of the UK, but all the technology was there.
The local ROC printing was implemented some ten years after the 'Swipe Telephones/Machines' were introduced and full EFTPOS with instant transfer of funds has still not be implemented in the UK. The banks make too much money for them to give us control of our own money.
PAXboy steps down off soapbox.
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E tickets....
When I first started travelling with E tickets there were initially a few problems when I travelled to the US, regarding phoning up to change the flight details, but I have not had any problems for a couple of years now. I prefere E tickets cause you as pax cant lose them!!!
What does annoy me is that a few times in the last couple of months, when getting flights, I have been issued with a paper ticket and I have asked about an E- version. Then been told they cant issue one on that route, which I know isnt true because Ive flown it before with an Eticket, and then I get charged extra for the paper ticket too!!!! Whats going on there then? This is generally for a flight that day or the next bought at the airport of departure direct from the airline.....
Regards, SD..
What does annoy me is that a few times in the last couple of months, when getting flights, I have been issued with a paper ticket and I have asked about an E- version. Then been told they cant issue one on that route, which I know isnt true because Ive flown it before with an Eticket, and then I get charged extra for the paper ticket too!!!! Whats going on there then? This is generally for a flight that day or the next bought at the airport of departure direct from the airline.....
Regards, SD..
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dont bother just say im going to xxxx and my names xxxx thats all we need to find you.....
Except when flying the no-frills airline which expects you to know your PNR even though it is written on the piece of paper in front of them, next to your name which they have located using the passport you handed them. And then they bollock you!
And they think they are like Southwest, who will put you on the next available flight even if you aren't booked on it, just by entering your name.
Except when flying the no-frills airline which expects you to know your PNR even though it is written on the piece of paper in front of them, next to your name which they have located using the passport you handed them. And then they bollock you!
And they think they are like Southwest, who will put you on the next available flight even if you aren't booked on it, just by entering your name.
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I don't know the actual routes that you are talking about, but I suspect that it might be a result of that old adage the 'code-share'.
If for an example you are flying on a SK flight from the UK, but using a BD flight number then an eticket is not available and you will have to have either a paper ticket or a Ticket on Departure.
BD very often offer lower fares then SK on the same aircraft, so you have the choice of either a eticket at a slightly higher fare or at the lower fare and then pay an 'excess' for the paper ticket. I'm afraid it is a Catch 22 situation.
Only when all the airlines have introduced Interline e-tickets will the problem go away.
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I don't know the actual routes that you are talking about, but I suspect that it might be a result of that old adage the 'code-share'.
If for an example you are flying on a SK flight from the UK, but using a BD flight number then an eticket is not available and you will have to have either a paper ticket or a Ticket on Departure.
BD very often offer lower fares then SK on the same aircraft, so you have the choice of either a eticket at a slightly higher fare or at the lower fare and then pay an 'excess' for the paper ticket. I'm afraid it is a Catch 22 situation.
Only when all the airlines have introduced Interline e-tickets will the problem go away.
Hope this helps
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Over the last couple of years I have flown with TAP nigh on seventy times, reserving through various web agencies but more often than not TAPs web site.
Latterly TAP are now adding a charge (after reservation) of 11 euros to issue an e-ticket.... uhh? Why? Is this a new additional charge (considering the current increase in fuel costs) or merely one being identified more clearly? Are all airlines doing this now? Mind you its not all bad as I would have to pay 17 for a paper ticket!
Latterly TAP are now adding a charge (after reservation) of 11 euros to issue an e-ticket.... uhh? Why? Is this a new additional charge (considering the current increase in fuel costs) or merely one being identified more clearly? Are all airlines doing this now? Mind you its not all bad as I would have to pay 17 for a paper ticket!
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I have not heard that one before!! Sounds wiley to me. I suspect that it stems form the point of view that has long dragged down any selling organisation ... the desire to make the 'headline' price as low as possible and reckon that, by the time the customer has taken an interest, that they will not be put off by various small increases.
I prefer a final bill price at all times, rather than having to calculate it myself. Equally, when I see adverts saying, "Free bottle of Arsenic, with every edition of the Daily Mail", I grind my teeth as the correct usage is not 'free' but 'inclusive'. Enough of the soap box, I'll go and make a mug of tea to calm me down.
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I prefer a final bill price at all times, rather than having to calculate it myself. Equally, when I see adverts saying, "Free bottle of Arsenic, with every edition of the Daily Mail", I grind my teeth as the correct usage is not 'free' but 'inclusive'. Enough of the soap box, I'll go and make a mug of tea to calm me down.
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I agree with you on the headline price, leads me to think, if they are charging me extra to issue any form of ticket, then why can't I have the option of flying without one, at the advertised price? Heh heh....
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TAP's gouging is confirmed on their website. Simply outrageous IMO, I've never flown with TAP and I have no intention of doing so if this is how they do business. Boycott the s0ds.
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With BA over here, most of the tickets are electronic and there for we rarely have to fill in those forms if Indemnity. Its only when your traveling on with airlines that do not operate an ET service, that you will be required to have those PT. I know they can cause some caos at times, but i much prefere to have something in my hands.
I quite agree with you Ckin Gal, working as you do makes it easier to cope with the unexpected!!
With the tktd flt it was simply produce the tkts and check them in as you can use the tkt as a cross reference to the ckin sheet.
