You want to take bags? On Ryanair? Think again...(Merged)
On real airlines, the passenger is charged for the seat and the bag goes free in the hold.
On O'Leary's airline, the passenger is charged for a bag in the hold and the seat is free. Well, almost.
Is there no limit to this madness? Just for how much longer can this man continue to abuse his staff and passengers before the whole pack of cards collapses. As surely it must.
On O'Leary's airline, the passenger is charged for a bag in the hold and the seat is free. Well, almost.
Is there no limit to this madness? Just for how much longer can this man continue to abuse his staff and passengers before the whole pack of cards collapses. As surely it must.
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I would have thought that there are a few safety and security implications in this proposal:
Safety.
If everyone is carrying their maximum allowed carry on baggage there is a possibility that in an accident or heavy landing that the bags could fall on top of the other passengers.
Security
It is one thing to scan hold baggage however the increase in large bags on an aircraft increases the possibility that weapons could be smuggled on board.
I am surprised the British Government D of T would welcome this proposal, but there again the Irish equivalent might agree to anything that Ryanair suggest.
I wonder if he has thought of changing to a "virtual airline"; for the price of a ticket he would promise to send a postcard home from anywhere in Europe. That way he needn't operate any aircraft, pay any landing fees or employ pilots.
Safety.
If everyone is carrying their maximum allowed carry on baggage there is a possibility that in an accident or heavy landing that the bags could fall on top of the other passengers.
Security
It is one thing to scan hold baggage however the increase in large bags on an aircraft increases the possibility that weapons could be smuggled on board.
I am surprised the British Government D of T would welcome this proposal, but there again the Irish equivalent might agree to anything that Ryanair suggest.
I wonder if he has thought of changing to a "virtual airline"; for the price of a ticket he would promise to send a postcard home from anywhere in Europe. That way he needn't operate any aircraft, pay any landing fees or employ pilots.
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So what would MOL do if (for the sake of argument!) a large group of individuals decided that they were all going to take the same week off and fly the FR network as many times as possible paying only for free or very cheap seats and take no luggage.
Surely if this was organised well enough in advance and with sufficient people you could get whole flights with minimal revenue for FR!!
Or am I missing the point, are some of the seats expensive even if you book very early?
Not that I would condone such activities
Surely if this was organised well enough in advance and with sufficient people you could get whole flights with minimal revenue for FR!!
Or am I missing the point, are some of the seats expensive even if you book very early?
Not that I would condone such activities
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Personally I don't think it is as mad as it first seems you have to agree getting rid of the need for check in baggage can only help in the operation of the airline ie fewer delays, less possibilities of MTOWs, and a huge reduction in handling fees, protection from ground staff strikes etc. The only question is, is it going to have an impact on pax no's to offset the savings made, and to be honest I really don't think it will, you have to expect MOL to have done his homework on this one before dropping such a bombshell. But for cheap tickets, to get to holiday homes or short breaks or even biz meetings it is an acceptable price to pay.
I always look forward to announcements from Ryanair with glee to see how he intends to shake up the industry next. Hopefully he will spend the savings on better maintenance. The answer to how long he can get away with it is simple, until Ryanair make a large smouldering hole somewhere.
I always look forward to announcements from Ryanair with glee to see how he intends to shake up the industry next. Hopefully he will spend the savings on better maintenance. The answer to how long he can get away with it is simple, until Ryanair make a large smouldering hole somewhere.
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Hopefully he will spend the savings on better maintenance.
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RAT5, this may help answer your question: a friend of mine booked an extra seat with RYR specifically to enable her to take a musical instrument (a trumpet) onto the flight. Not only did she succeed in claiming the seat but she also avoided excess baggage charges by claiming that the musical instrument had a baggage allowance as well!
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What happens if a passenger wants to to take a first aid kit containing scissors, cutlery for there self catering apartment, knitting needles for the grannies, razors or any other sharp objects which are currently being confiscated on a daily basis from security checks all over the world, how are passengers gonna get these items on board, some are essentials!!
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Pirate,
I would imagine that increased queues at security will become the passengers' problem and that they will be required to turn up even earlier. There is bound to be a clause somewhere that disqualifies you from boarding if you do not get to the gate on time.
Less passengers = even more weight saving!
Pretty soon they will be saving a fortune flying around with completely empty aircraft.
Its all damn clever if you ask me.
I would imagine that increased queues at security will become the passengers' problem and that they will be required to turn up even earlier. There is bound to be a clause somewhere that disqualifies you from boarding if you do not get to the gate on time.
Less passengers = even more weight saving!
Pretty soon they will be saving a fortune flying around with completely empty aircraft.
Its all damn clever if you ask me.
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I found this quote amusing:
James Freemantle of the Air Transport Users Council said: "It's disappointing that an airline would want to introduce a policy restricting who could fly on its planes. This reduces passengers' choice - especially for families with children and lots of bags who wouldn't be able to travel without checking in their luggage."
Any company can do what it wants! Folks will then either continue to use them or go somewhere else. Others will use RYR for the first time. Someone said that MoL would have done his homework - you betcha!!
Incidentally, if he is increasing maintenance intervals, then he had better be very sure of his homework. It does not bother me as I never use him anyway but it might bother some pax.
James Freemantle of the Air Transport Users Council said: "It's disappointing that an airline would want to introduce a policy restricting who could fly on its planes. This reduces passengers' choice - especially for families with children and lots of bags who wouldn't be able to travel without checking in their luggage."
Any company can do what it wants! Folks will then either continue to use them or go somewhere else. Others will use RYR for the first time. Someone said that MoL would have done his homework - you betcha!!
Incidentally, if he is increasing maintenance intervals, then he had better be very sure of his homework. It does not bother me as I never use him anyway but it might bother some pax.
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RAT 5
You asked: The whole excess baggage matter seems just a money printing exercise. I wonder if the check-in staff get a %?
Yes some check-in staff get to earn quite a bit of comission this way.
Yes some check-in staff get to earn quite a bit of comission this way.
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There's no way Ryanair will be flying their 738s with empty holds in 3 or 4 years. That's far too much revenue earning space to be left empty.
I suspect this splurge of publicity is simply aimed at softening up passengers for the introduction of charging for checked baggage. That way Ryanair get to advertise even more £1.99 fares - even if the true cost, with a checked bag included, is more like £50. (Still cheap!)
Buying an airfare is much the same as buying a mortgage, or choosing a credit card. There's a multitude of factors to take into account, and smart consumers will get better value than dumb consumers. That's life. Be smart!
I suspect this splurge of publicity is simply aimed at softening up passengers for the introduction of charging for checked baggage. That way Ryanair get to advertise even more £1.99 fares - even if the true cost, with a checked bag included, is more like £50. (Still cheap!)
Buying an airfare is much the same as buying a mortgage, or choosing a credit card. There's a multitude of factors to take into account, and smart consumers will get better value than dumb consumers. That's life. Be smart!
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sparkymarky: I suspect this splurge of publicity is simply aimed at softening up passengers for the introduction of charging for checked baggage. That way Ryanair get to advertise even more £1.99 fares - even if the true cost, with a checked bag included, is more like £50. (Still cheap!)
If not, and if MO'L really does what he is currently saying, then I'm with Boss Raptor and others on this: the man is losing his marbles.
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Agreed that MOL may have gone a step too far with this one.
But the idea of charging more for passengers who carry hold luggage as a way to discourage luggage and speed turn-arounds in principal makes sense for Ryanair.
If you want to carry it you pay for it.
For Business users of Ryanair say Prestwick > Stansted the idea of getting even cheaper tickets and carrying on a laptop etc only will be appealing.
The other main reason for MOL's hate of hold luggage is compensation for lost luggage. Rules only govern losses for hold luggage.
For example I am traveling with Ryanair to Bournemouth next week I would happily pay 20 pounds instead of 64 pounds if all it involved was wearing my suit on the flight rather than risking it going in the hold and being lost anyway. Others will also, clearly other examples too.
Removal of all Hold Baggage all together though I can not see this working or happening.
Just a thought.
But the idea of charging more for passengers who carry hold luggage as a way to discourage luggage and speed turn-arounds in principal makes sense for Ryanair.
If you want to carry it you pay for it.
For Business users of Ryanair say Prestwick > Stansted the idea of getting even cheaper tickets and carrying on a laptop etc only will be appealing.
The other main reason for MOL's hate of hold luggage is compensation for lost luggage. Rules only govern losses for hold luggage.
For example I am traveling with Ryanair to Bournemouth next week I would happily pay 20 pounds instead of 64 pounds if all it involved was wearing my suit on the flight rather than risking it going in the hold and being lost anyway. Others will also, clearly other examples too.
Removal of all Hold Baggage all together though I can not see this working or happening.
Just a thought.
Didn't I hear recently that he had bought an airfield somewhere in Eastern Europe . What's to stop him therefore flying freight into there and then distributing it onward within Europe in his B738s . Just a thought .
