Ryan Air: Where do you put your paper?
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I see your point now Capt, but IMHO (sadly) seeing is to reading/comprehending as hearing is to listening. At the least the info is in full sight as you say.
Strangely enough, I think that the airline industry is a victim of its own success in normalising the air travel experience to a degree that makes the average punter feel its no different to, say, sitting in their living room .... complacency results.
Probably the reason that I read with such diligence is that I travel regularly enough to be aware of the differing a/c, sub fleets. configs and kit.
And my own small (PPL) efforts have taught me that the air is an environment to be respected
Strangely enough, I think that the airline industry is a victim of its own success in normalising the air travel experience to a degree that makes the average punter feel its no different to, say, sitting in their living room .... complacency results.
Probably the reason that I read with such diligence is that I travel regularly enough to be aware of the differing a/c, sub fleets. configs and kit.
And my own small (PPL) efforts have taught me that the air is an environment to be respected
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sanctimonious talk????
Though I admit our esteemed captains comments re: having the information on the back of the seats so people cannot ignore it, is very valid. Far too many pax treat the safety demonstration in far too lax a manner, not to mention some of the FA's (I had to issue a complaint to BMI in the recent past regarding this issue & suggest the steward in question be taken aside & be given further training) not to mention that I feel much of the safety preparation is wholly inadequate should a real emergency break out & panic ensue.
What can I say. You can take the gal out of the training, but you can't take the training out of the gal.
I suppose that the safety card collectors will now have to take the whole seat with them.
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Coconuts: My Gawd, are there really people out there who collect that stuff, never read the things but collect them anyway. Yar pulling our leg captain eh!
I have acquaintances who collect safety cards as well as other things off aircraft. I absolutely refuse to take safety cards off aircraft so they don't get any from me (although I will happily oblige with copies of inflight magazines and other things obviously intended to be taken away.)
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WELL!
Weather anybody reads saftey cards or not, it's the airlines resposability to legally inform pax with the saftey cards of the emergancy situation, so there is always a saftey card on every flt, there has to be, in what ever format it is, it's there????
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A bit below the belt don't you think?
what are you doing fraternising with the competition anyway?
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And I thought that I was the only paranoid who felt under the seat for a lifejacket! And who is almost word pefect on the BA safety briefing.
Although would anyone like to suggest what the chances are that a jet with engines under the wings will make a successful water landing?
Although would anyone like to suggest what the chances are that a jet with engines under the wings will make a successful water landing?
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I read the card (so I make sure that it is there and would ask if it is not but it always has been there).
I watch 'the dance' because some life jackets are tied at the side and some in front (Velcro anyone?)
I check under my seat for the jacket.
I count the rows to my exit.
I look at the pax around me and try to guess who will 'freeze' and who might panic and who will simply block my route due to the sheer bulk of their personality.
Just another bloke who has been self loading for 38 years and reckons he would like to continue doing so a bit longer, even though he has never experienced anything so much as an RTO or go round ...
I watch 'the dance' because some life jackets are tied at the side and some in front (Velcro anyone?)
I check under my seat for the jacket.
I count the rows to my exit.
I look at the pax around me and try to guess who will 'freeze' and who might panic and who will simply block my route due to the sheer bulk of their personality.
Just another bloke who has been self loading for 38 years and reckons he would like to continue doing so a bit longer, even though he has never experienced anything so much as an RTO or go round ...
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Hope you sit in an aisle seat too mate. I risk my life everytime I get on a plane cause I always insist on a seat with a view, not to easiest to escape from, having to clamour over other people, in the unlikely event of an accident.
Pity the safety demos are so hypothetical & leave out so much, they are placate rather than really educate pax IMHO.
Pity the safety demos are so hypothetical & leave out so much, they are placate rather than really educate pax IMHO.
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I don't wish to appear thick but could someone please enlighten me as to what IMHO stands for?! I keep seeing it used on the forums and can't for the life in me work out what it means!
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As a rough guide I would say that about 5 % of pax on flights I used to operate would remove the safety card and browse over it. Most are complacent as 'it would never happen to them'.
The small percentage who would talk over the top of the demo would be kindly asked to zip it (to allow their neighbours a chance to save themselves if the brown stuff hit the spinny thing).
One guy unravelled his lifejacket to have a closer look, on top of being a little disruptive, and so was blacklisted from uk airlines for his return flight, and his friend disowned him! Luckily CAA regulations ensure many spare lifejackets and safety cards are carried onboard each flight. It is an offence to tamper with any safety equipment.
On Italian routes, we used to discover seat belts missing (they were taken as a fashion item as a belt). Unfortunately it resulted in offloading passengers for the return journey as the seats were unusable.
I have to say I much prefer seatpockets. As much as they are a pain to clean and ensure security, they also ensure that no loose papers and drinks cans are laying around the cabin, which is all it would take for someone to slip over when evacuating and block everyones escape.
Safety Demos? I used to read them and although not comprehensive, we had only a few mins to get everyone seated, secure the cabin and do the demo before we hit the runway. Sometimes it was like an SAS operation!!
The small percentage who would talk over the top of the demo would be kindly asked to zip it (to allow their neighbours a chance to save themselves if the brown stuff hit the spinny thing).
One guy unravelled his lifejacket to have a closer look, on top of being a little disruptive, and so was blacklisted from uk airlines for his return flight, and his friend disowned him! Luckily CAA regulations ensure many spare lifejackets and safety cards are carried onboard each flight. It is an offence to tamper with any safety equipment.
On Italian routes, we used to discover seat belts missing (they were taken as a fashion item as a belt). Unfortunately it resulted in offloading passengers for the return journey as the seats were unusable.
I have to say I much prefer seatpockets. As much as they are a pain to clean and ensure security, they also ensure that no loose papers and drinks cans are laying around the cabin, which is all it would take for someone to slip over when evacuating and block everyones escape.
Safety Demos? I used to read them and although not comprehensive, we had only a few mins to get everyone seated, secure the cabin and do the demo before we hit the runway. Sometimes it was like an SAS operation!!
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I think we have to start some kind of AA organisation for those of us who read the card, listen to the demo, count the rows, check the location and colour of the emergency aisle lights, have a gander at the people sitting next to the emergency exit, (if we wern't lucky enough to get that seat after arriving early specially,) watch the crew arm the chute's, look out and see there is no ice on the wing, check the flaps are down...........
I don't want therapy for doing it, I just want to be assured a load of other people do it too!
I don't want therapy for doing it, I just want to be assured a load of other people do it too!
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According to the old chestnut, "This plane floats as well as a boat flies"... 
ChrisVJ, I'm with you up to the emergency exit bit, but enough of my sanctimonious talk, eh AC?
Lifejackets: Granted, even in a survivable water landing, you'd probably die of cold before you'd drown. I suppose the paranoid could take immersion suits.
Safety briefings: Problem is, if you put too much in people really nod off. In my North Sea days, we'd to sit through a 13 min video before every flight. Important information but it never seemed to hit home for everyone.
Incidentally, if a 737 (say) tried a water landing, what would happen when the engines touched the drink? Would the acft pitch down/flip, or would they just shear off?
ChrisVJ, I'm with you up to the emergency exit bit, but enough of my sanctimonious talk, eh AC?
Lifejackets: Granted, even in a survivable water landing, you'd probably die of cold before you'd drown. I suppose the paranoid could take immersion suits.
Safety briefings: Problem is, if you put too much in people really nod off. In my North Sea days, we'd to sit through a 13 min video before every flight. Important information but it never seemed to hit home for everyone.
Incidentally, if a 737 (say) tried a water landing, what would happen when the engines touched the drink? Would the acft pitch down/flip, or would they just shear off?
Aisle seat, please.
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It's interesting to watch how threads drift from one subject to another. From the lack of seat pockets to safety briefings...
I'm another find-the-liefjacket-look-for-the-nearest-exit-and-watch-the-briefing type. But, I have to admit that I get fed up with some of the trite videos that international airlines use for their safety briefings. The current Air France video is particularly irritating. Can anyone identify where the male voice over on that video comes from? He doesn't sound French and he certainly doesn't come from anywhere where English is a first language.
I'm another find-the-liefjacket-look-for-the-nearest-exit-and-watch-the-briefing type. But, I have to admit that I get fed up with some of the trite videos that international airlines use for their safety briefings. The current Air France video is particularly irritating. Can anyone identify where the male voice over on that video comes from? He doesn't sound French and he certainly doesn't come from anywhere where English is a first language.
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As I understand it there has never been a single survivable ditching by a commercial jet aircraft with underwing engines, although there have been a few attempts. Looked at rationally there is really no case for carrying lifejackets on such planes.
Even with tailmount engines there have been precious few (is it one or two?) ditchings of large commercial aircraft which anyone at all survived.
Even with tailmount engines there have been precious few (is it one or two?) ditchings of large commercial aircraft which anyone at all survived.
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ChrisVJ, "I think we have to start some kind of AA organisation for those of us who read the card, listen to the demo, count the rows, check ..."
I really have no idea what you're talking about. but I think I can go one better, "My name is PAXboy and I have been carrying a smoke hood on all flights for nearly ten years. I started with the simply 'bag' model but have now upgraded to the more sophisticated unit with a proper filter. It's about the size of a 330ml can of drink and goes through all the scanners without question."
Sits down and takes a deep breath as I reveal my level of uncertainty and the hope that such a device may help in an emergency. Providing I don't get knocked out before I can put it on. Looks around carefully to see if others have smoke hoods hidden in their jacket or are laughing in a cavalier fashion.
"I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you any different." Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
I really have no idea what you're talking about.
but I think I can go one better, "My name is PAXboy and I have been carrying a smoke hood on all flights for nearly ten years. I started with the simply 'bag' model but have now upgraded to the more sophisticated unit with a proper filter. It's about the size of a 330ml can of drink and goes through all the scanners without question."Sits down and takes a deep breath as I reveal my level of uncertainty and the hope that such a device may help in an emergency. Providing I don't get knocked out before I can put it on. Looks around carefully to see if others have smoke hoods hidden in their jacket or are laughing in a cavalier fashion.
"I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you any different." Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.