Knee defender will cause fights at 30.000ft? (merged)
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Device that inhibits seat recline
Has anybody seen this: Yahoo News article ?
(see URL for the rest of the article)
Wonder how many altercations this will cause?
Although I like the idea . . .
By BRAD FOSS, AP Business Writer WASHINGTON -
Every cramped air traveler may have the right to lean his seat back, but Ira Goldman sees airplane justice from another perspective — that of the person behind — and he's found a way to even the score.
Goldman invented the Knee Defender, a beeper-sized block of plastic that lets passengers prevent the seat in front of them from reclining. ...
Every cramped air traveler may have the right to lean his seat back, but Ira Goldman sees airplane justice from another perspective — that of the person behind — and he's found a way to even the score.
Goldman invented the Knee Defender, a beeper-sized block of plastic that lets passengers prevent the seat in front of them from reclining. ...
Wonder how many altercations this will cause?
Although I like the idea . . .
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This will help with the good old air-rage.
As the article mentions, passenger complains to cabin staff seat won't go back, give me another. Inspection of seat reveals "Knee Defender" is in place. Owner of "Knee Defender" goes to hospital to get it removed from anus after forcible insertion by other passenger.
People won't complain....yeah right.
As the article mentions, passenger complains to cabin staff seat won't go back, give me another. Inspection of seat reveals "Knee Defender" is in place. Owner of "Knee Defender" goes to hospital to get it removed from anus after forcible insertion by other passenger.
People won't complain....yeah right.
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Got my own knee defenders - being a bit over six foot I just jam the things in place. Seat won't recline everyone happy but twit in front. No issue.
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Some time in the past year, there was talk of this problem in this forum. Someone spoke of a utilitarian item that they used to jam the seat in front. I'm sorry that I can't recall the detail but it was something very small and it might go unnoticed - giving rise to the idea that the seat was defective.
The poster said that, at the end of the trip, they remove the wedge and slip it in their pocket and all is well. Sounds safe than a large wedge that only works when the your try table is down.
The poster said that, at the end of the trip, they remove the wedge and slip it in their pocket and all is well. Sounds safe than a large wedge that only works when the your try table is down.
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Being somewhat over 6' and not liking to part with money (and travelling cattle class mainly) this may well find it's way onto my christmas wish list.
Still I do enjoy sticking my knees into the back of the chair in front and accidently catching the person in fronts hair between hand and seatback when getting up to stretch my legs.
Still I do enjoy sticking my knees into the back of the chair in front and accidently catching the person in fronts hair between hand and seatback when getting up to stretch my legs.
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Since this guy has invited comments on his website, here was mine -
"If you're deformed, buy a business class ticket you cheapscate"
I await his reply.
"If you're deformed, buy a business class ticket you cheapscate"
I await his reply.
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Gadzooks, there's a market for everything! At 6'4" I'm acutely conscious of it all, have used the sharp knees into the back of the seat, the wet sneeze and the catching of hair as well as the top of newspaper carefully draped over the offending party's head, gently swoozed backand forth to irritate the hell out of him/her.
Nothing as depressing on a long flight as that sudden whump when the seat in front of you whacks back, almost as if syncronised with the gear lifting into place. Funny, isn't it, the speed of reclining is inverse proportion to the height of the occupant. If there's anyone behind me I never recline.
But I don't think I'd buy one of these gizmos. Much more satisfying to knee away and all the other things, until the message hits home.
Nothing as depressing on a long flight as that sudden whump when the seat in front of you whacks back, almost as if syncronised with the gear lifting into place. Funny, isn't it, the speed of reclining is inverse proportion to the height of the occupant. If there's anyone behind me I never recline.
But I don't think I'd buy one of these gizmos. Much more satisfying to knee away and all the other things, until the message hits home.
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Memetic - Bingo! 
Although, if I drank both the bottles of wine, I might not notice too much what the person in front did with the chair.
Oo-eer, we have duplicated threads. I'm sure Xenia will be along shortly and sort us out.
Although, if I drank both the bottles of wine, I might not notice too much what the person in front did with the chair.Oo-eer, we have duplicated threads. I'm sure Xenia will be along shortly and sort us out.
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Oh, there will be some doctors who win out of this as well!
Proctologists who have to surgically remove them from people's *sses after the resultant altercation.
One of the dumbest inventions I have ever seen.
Proctologists who have to surgically remove them from people's *sses after the resultant altercation.
One of the dumbest inventions I have ever seen.
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Duplicated?
Pax - Not as much as the numerous can I take my GPS / Scanner questions. 
Xenia - how about a sticky for "Can I take this on a flight" post the usual q's and link to the answering threads.
Happy to hit the search to pick out some candidates for you.
Memetic.
Xenia - how about a sticky for "Can I take this on a flight" post the usual q's and link to the answering threads.
Happy to hit the search to pick out some candidates for you.
Memetic.
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Mem - BRILLIANT idea. 
How about another sticky for "How do I weasel an upgrade that I haven't paid for (by the way, I only fly once every ten years)?" 
Of all the questions - that's the one that irritates me more than anything.
How about another sticky for "How do I weasel an upgrade that I haven't paid for (by the way, I only fly once every ten years)?" Of all the questions - that's the one that irritates me more than anything.
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The veiled threats from guys over 6 feet plus mean nothing.
I, much like you want a comfortable flight and if I decide to recline the seat on a flight from Newark to Phoenix (almost 6 hours), I will do so. If you decide to block the seat with your knees because you chose or were forced to choose coach over Business Class, that is your problem..not mine.
While I understand that larger people need more space, don't take your frustrations out on the other passengers. take it out on the airlines who choose not to provide the space or buy a ticket where you can ride comfortably.
When eating, I'll bring my seat forward. When sleeping, I WILL recline it. End of Discussion.
I have no idea why the minority feel they have the right to control the majority.
Newarksmells.
I, much like you want a comfortable flight and if I decide to recline the seat on a flight from Newark to Phoenix (almost 6 hours), I will do so. If you decide to block the seat with your knees because you chose or were forced to choose coach over Business Class, that is your problem..not mine.
While I understand that larger people need more space, don't take your frustrations out on the other passengers. take it out on the airlines who choose not to provide the space or buy a ticket where you can ride comfortably.
When eating, I'll bring my seat forward. When sleeping, I WILL recline it. End of Discussion.
I have no idea why the minority feel they have the right to control the majority.
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Marvellous attitude newarksmells, a real 'I am alright so sod you because you are over 6 foot' attitude. Well, I too like a comfortable flight, and do not see why somebody else, who is also too tight or unable to afford business, should ruin it. So, seeing as I am over 6 foot, I will make myself as comfortable as possible, and if the seat in front comes near me I will, because of the seat frame, have no space to sit other than slightly turned. Now if my knee, my nice strong, bony knee, should dig into the small of your back, that would be terrible, but if you do not like it you should have bought a business ticket. Too tight or unable to, oh well, never mind, to get comfortable in my hunched position I will probably have to wiggle and move, which means I will spend the flight jabbing my knee in the small of your back. So newarksmells with your veiled threats mean nothing thinking, how is your back?
PS PAXboy, totally agree with you about the sticky!
PS PAXboy, totally agree with you about the sticky!