Being on the outside looking in I suppose I only have a limited view of this. I would love to switch from an office job to flying, and personally I would not mind doing the menial work if it came as part of a flying job (well, I need the exercise anyway). I can understand you are not going to be doing it all from the start and perhaps they do need to extract a bit more value from you if are not experienced enough yet to do the higher value jobs. If you are paid for it then why shouldn't you roll up your sleeves and do your part.

What I don't like the idea of is what I see in say Ice Pilots, where it seems like the "promise" of flying is held as a carrot to extract some cheap labour. Come along, break your back doing loading/cleaning and if you hang around for a year or two and put up with their crap, perhaps one day, if someone else does not pinch it, you can get a chance to fly, maybe, as long as you don't piss off the boss. It seems to me to be on the same level as pay to fly or fly for free - using someone's passion and dreams to cheapen your operations. Its not about doing the non-flying work, its that in being hired as a pilot (after training and hour building etc) should have a reasonable expectation to exercise your skills, not just have them as a flag that you are keen to do anything near an aircraft.

Prostitutes don't work for free. So don't lower your standards to below them. The GA award is there for a reason. You should expect no less. Just be prepared to be a productive member of the business.

Is this some sort of joke? I paid $80k for a CPL. I aint sweeping no floors.

Is that average? :eek: Wow. :(
You can do a Bachelor of Laws at a suitably snooty sandstone university for $35K, and it's considered an expensive degree. Even Med comes in at under $55K, including $15K for the primary degree.
Bachelor of Laws - Courses and Programs - The University of Queensland, Australia

Thats fine, dont get a job then.:ok:

True. I snuck back for an edit but you beat me to it.
You can have all the fancy qualifications in the world but if no-one wants to pay you reasonable rates for them, surely it's better to be working than not, even if it leaves a slightly foul taste in your mouth.

Not sweeping floors?

If you were dumb enough to pay $80K, I'm surprised they didn't save on the broom and convice you to lick them clean instead!:rolleyes:

No floor sweeping. Won't be going to far in GA then. Plenty of places where sweeping a floor or vacuuming the office is part of the job! I suppose for 80k washing your aircraft and cleaning windows is beneath you too?

Stop responding to this idiot, his name says it all ...

Just because I refuse to give in to doing a task thats beneath me doesn't mean I wont find a job. With a bit of patience and resilience I'll find a job doing what I've been trained to do, and thats fly aeroplanes.

Hahahaha. I'm guessing you were the guy at your flying school wearing bars and wings from your first lesson, doing your shopping in a uniform with an ASIC and aviators prominently on display just to 'impress the chicks'.

You're on fire mate, keep em coming.

:ok:

Beneath you? :confused:
What's your market value? What the market is willing to pay. :E

Is there really much difference between a 240 hour and 300 hour pilot in terms of employability?

Damn, too bad I missed out on all that when I was in GA. Would have seriously loved to have been given the opportunity to sweep floors. Some dudes get all the luck!! :E

Sweeping floors?

Looxury! When I was lad, I had to sweep the gravel parking bay!! No broom either, I had a worn out bannister brush. And, I was thankful to have it!

FFS ! what is this the 50s DON'T WORK FOR FREE :mad::ugh:

Interesting how we get about 10 replies on this thread responding to an obvious troll whose profile says they are 7 years old.... :D

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I paid $80k for a CPL. I aint sweeping no floors.


You mean your parents paid for it dude! And you haven't even got the decency to pay them back.

Blatant Liar true story coming up.
Someone I know well paid his own way to a CPL. I was able to use a contact in the industry to secure him a job with a King Air operator as a general dogs body. He swept the floor, washed the aeroplane, even had to clean the owner's swimming pool, but it was a job in aviation, albeit on the fringe. After a few months of this, they needed a copilot in a hurry, so he got to wear a uniform and sit in the right seat. Only a few months later they needed a captain in a hurry. The punters liked this kid's attitude, so the boss took a punt and sent him to the USA to do a proper course on the Kingair.
The guy in this story is now a Captain on wide body aircraft with a major airline.
All the time you sit around waiting for your god given right to a flying job just because you paid bucks for a licence, some kid out there is getting the drop on you by doing the hard yards.

Here here Mach e
Agree with you whole heartedly.
There is no easy path. Just hard work and dedication.
The spoilt little rich kids of the world think they are owed a career. How do you get through to them?