It wasn't directed towards you because there is nothing wrong with it.

yea, i know, I was more agreeing with you. :ok:

Saying that if I used his interpretation it would sound suss.:}

they're....not their.

How to Use There, Their and They're - wikiHow

Might be nice to get back to the original topic.

Out of curiosity, does anyone else find it a bit strange that the so called "good" operator is thretening not to accept an application because of fair questions asked by someone who doesn't know aviation yet? I mean what injustice is being done to the current cadets by opening this thread? Sounds like everyone that's worked there was happy enough but i get concerned when I hear an employer talk like that. Especially when it's on PPruNe of all places!

Good for you, your concern is noted...

It reflects a work ethic, IMHO. The Original Poster was told what to expect from the horses mouth, and then began to question things, despite having little to no knowledge about the industry.

j3.

If you are having such doubts about it, then it probably isnt for you. Going bush isnt the most glamorous thing i have done, but its certainly been a lot of fun. I can see why most would want to fast track their careers as pilots, but smelling some roses on the way isnt such a bad thing.

j3

Yeah I get the work ethic concern but I don't think peugeotboi was ever after a comment from MS. If he wanted that, then he could have just sent off an email or picked up the phone to get the advertisement info. I will admit though, no point asking the same question twice when it's already been answered...

Yes cadetships do cost money in Aus peugotboi. No matter which airline it's for.

I can't see anything being asked on PPRuNe harming your application though. Not unless you state your name anyway!

Well maybe pergeotboi showed up to the interview with a tell tale tie pin, or drove there in his very own Mi-16....

And what he said was silly, MS answered hIs question rather failry. and the newbie starts questioning why it costs???

j3

Purely a misunderstanding of the word "cadetship" I think. My point about peugeotboi not wanting to speak MS but actually the guys who have done the cadetship is that it's not whether the question was answered but who it was answered by. For example if you wanted to work for a different airline and started a thread to ask people whether it was a good airline or not and the CEO/GM wrote a reply saying that it was a great airline, you wouldn't exactly say you got your answer. I understand that the questions asked from peugeotboi wouldn't be the sought you'd ask your employer, but I can understand him asking fellow PPRuNer's. :ok:

heh yeah I'd park round the corner, or take the bus.

PeugotBoi
 

Yer im currently in the cadetship, and im loving it. One of the best courses you will ever find. Im currently doing my CPL then going onto doing ATPL subjects then multi engine instrument rating. With 12 months on a Metro, 500+ hours ICUS and FO on a twin turbo-prop RPT.....CANT BEAT IT.... where else are you gaurenteed such work????...... I highly recomend it.....

You honestly wont get far in life if you want to get payed for everything. To get things you need to do the hard yards, its not just going to magically appear on your front door step and you get off the couch and open the door and its there. The ones that have currently succeeded have put everything into it, and deserve all the credit.

good on ya!:ok: You will be well placed to buy your next job at Jetstar!

Looks like now that Rex, the link and Jetstar have cadet programs the quality of the participants in the Sharp program have somewhat slipped judging by the ramblings of the above poster.

Definitely in the standards of English language spelling and grammar at the least, TGG.

And yes it does matter, as one of my Employers in PNG once threw a resume from someone who actually met all requirements for a job with us into the `circular filing cabinet` purely because it was full of spelling and grammatical errors. His reasoning was that if the applicant was that careless with his English language skills he could also be just as careless with his flying.

Possibly a long bow was being drawn and the Boss even admitted so but he was not prepared to pay to bring this individual up from Australia and put him through all checks to line and find out the hard way.

Gotta love the probational PPRuNer's and their "insights"

Shall I bite? Or shall I leave it to J3 :E

So it has happened workers are now paying the employer :ugh:
Its come to this what a sad end :(

Perhaps, but most of them are regular users who want to get their point across without tarnishing their usernames.

I started GG to do a bit of stirring, turns out I enjoyed the persona :}

http://www.samruby.com/Villains/Gree...oblinDream.gif

:ouch:

I'm sure the passengers will thank you for those difficult months you spent 'doing the hard yards' on your parents' dollar as they bask in all thine glory from the rear of a Merlin

FRQ CB

If your paying its not a job simple as that !:ugh:

My ears were burning. What GG was referring to Owen is the fact that not that long ago, Miss Roxy was that stirring Probationary with little to no clue.

I reckon old mjohnstone is legit. Who else would put their first initial and last name for a stirring username...

mjohnstone

That's what I've been doing wrong all these years... Here I was thinking that finding those 2 week old pizza shapes in between the couch cushions was hard work... You've got it soooo much harder, F/O on a single pilot certified aircraft... Technically an autopilot or Flight Attendant...

How did you come by the funds to pay your first years wage plus training?

j3

fly
 

Hey Mate. What do you do and what do you fly?? cheers

Hey mate. Hate to break it to you but you got your facts wrong. RPT has to be two pilots, anything above 9 pax requires two pilots, therefor obviously Sharp require aCaptain and an FO. By the way does anyone who replied to my comments fly anything bigger than a single engine piston?:=:=:=

Yep, was flying a Metro after 2 years in GA with 1500TT/500 multi command, ATPL requirements sitting pretty waiting for a command.

You'll have 500 hours on a metro with no command time, no prospect of getting a command and the reality that you may have to go and fly through the GA ranks on one of those dreaded 210s to get back to the Metro :}

Like most people, saved up as much as possible and borrowed the rest from my parents, and plan to pay it back in the next 3-6 years, so how did you afford your carrer and how much did it cost?
cheer's

mjohnstone. Read your regs more thoroughly. The Metro is certified single pilot. The operation isn't. There's a difference.

And maybe look around the forum....pretty easy to figure out what these guys fly -hint it ain't single engine piston

I do love that question, the inference that we musn't know what we're talking about cos we might only be driving single engine pistons. Chances are that's where you'll be back to after you've finished the year driving that flash metro around, so don't let the smell of AVTUR get you too high there.

And in answer to your question, yes I do fly something bigger than a S/E piston, something with a MTOW of 6804 or 7485. Those figures ring a bell?

I didn't have parents who I could afford to lend me money. I saved 65k over 4years. I must not be like most people...

j3

Along with myself. I didn't log my first hour until I had the money in the bank and was 22.

Cadet schemes are not so glamorous when you need to pay for it yourself :}

If your paying its not a job :ugh:god how hard is this to work out if your paying its a course of some sort NOT A JOB.

Actually wrong, you do get prospects of command time. 50%

You dont PAY for a job :ugh:

Operators these days must be laughing straight to the bank!
 

Operators these days must be laughing straight to the bank!
Yeah cause they now have people wanting to pay them for a job.
As victor meldrew said I don't believe it !

Three simple guides to being in a commercial flying job:

1) if YOU pay for the endorsement, it's not a job

2) if YOU pay for the CIR renewals, base checks, it's not a job

3) If YOU ever shell out a dollar for sitting in the aircraft, it's not a job

This industry is hard enough to earn a living wage in without cashed up individuals buying the seat.

Rant over.

And yes my ride only has a MTOW of 4110Kg so what do I know?

ROXY CHICK???
That's stupid, tell me whats wrong with starting with a regional airline, you have to to start small and work your way up. Your failing to understand the point. Its not always the best way to start with the big airlines, i know someone who did the Qantas cadetship ( sounds rather impressive ) over a year ago, and he hasn't got a job. He is still on the list waiting. Not a favourable situation. So explain what you think the best way to get up to the airlines.
Cheers

You pay for the 15 months training, you dont pay for the job.http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/badteeth.gif

Do you have a Job in the end are there any real paying jobs for your $ payed.

Agree with Rox. MJohnston you just don't know how to post (or maybe you do and you're actually just a twit).

You definitely need to read the Regs, and not just the ones Sharp photocopy for you. (RPT must be two pilots??? Elaborate.)

I'd love to see you fly a few of the single engine pistons around the joint and do it to a proper standard. The number of engines and your machine's MTOW are not direct correlations to your skill or worth as a pilot... even if they give you a cool hat to wear.

Nighty night.

FRQ CB

Some people are very fortunate to have the funds for a cadetship and some are unfortunate.

If you have to ask your parents for money, there's nothing wrong with that.

I may not know to much about the Aviation industry, but its fair to say that it doesn't take time to realise how hard the industry is, You need to be hungry to survive and succeeded.

So at the end of the day everyone chooses different paths in the industry and we need to support one another, to many negatives.

Safe Flying!!