I haven't heard any bad word about the powered hang gliders..........in fact I haven't heard anything because I don't even know if they have radios....and thats what bothers me.....I don't wish to fly into that strip and find out the hard way whether they are using radios and how professional or unprofessional they are.

Now Tyabb on the other hand, is a different kettle of fish.

What does having a radio have to do with being professional?

Get in a circuit with a radioless aircraft and find out.

Unalerted "see and avoid" is not a very good way of maintaining separation.

Pilots have been flying for years without radios and still continue to do so... Safely!

If you can't see and avoid, you should visit your DAME and get your eyes checked.

If you fail the eye test, buy an ultralight without a radio and fly from Barwon Heads.

Priceless!!!!!!! Thank you.

YesTAM

Hard to tell if they have radios mate, a while back they put 2 TigerMoths head on into each other using opposite runway directions... :hmm::}

Andim not not surprised to hear that they would be operating below 500 feet, during Skandia week around the Geelong Marina they would've been lucky to have been above 300 feet at times... :ugh:

Probably just forgot to set his altimeter on the ground... :cool:

Turbz :cool:

YesTAM
Have asked a few people I know down that way and yes ALL a/c from b.h. use and have radios, if not possible I have heard that hand helds are used.
Notice the negative and always the other comment comes out of this forum.

Wake

I am not surprised about a few head ons that way.

XXX--your way off beat once again. If you flew or knew anything about the BH operation, the owner requires ALL operating from her airfield to have radios and that includes ultralights and trikes, and if you listened on the CTAF you would be aware of that instead of making wild and unfounded accusations.

The only operator from Torquay who uses the radio appears to be the jump plane, but thats about the only thing normal from all reports.

It was reported that on Saturday 24th February at approximately 2.30 the jump plane was seen on final for 36 with a 15-20 knot tail wind as the yellow agcat was taking off on 18. They crossed over with golf course with about 100 foot separation.

BH have got rid of there problems and the cowboys are now at Torquay. You only have to sit on the Torquay front beach to see how low the lance, agcat and lakes can go, even witnessed the lance flying under two trikes some time back.

YesTAM --you made comments about trikes from BH and joy flights. If you check as I did they cannot and do not offer joy flights and only instructors can take tifs but the guys at BH are quite happy to take a passanger from time to time. You might like to check this out some time and enjoy some real basic flying instead of locking yourself in a tinny at 5000 feet plus.

I was making some light hearted humour about flying without a radio. Sorry if I offended your hiness Sir Walters.

Every time I have been to Torquay recently, all aircraft have been using radios, including the Lakes.

As for the other "near misses," normal stuff. It happens everywhere else at times.

Trikes are different to RA-Aus. You only need 100 hours as a pilot to take paying passengers on a TIF so it's TIF's (joy flights) a plenty in the trike world under HGFA.

XXX

Your are an agressive little person XXX try to work in with other versions of flight without all the muck throwing, at least Mr. Walters uses his own name not like me and you so give him a go mate (very loosely used that word) and near misses happen everywhere? sure glad that we do not fly around your area then.

Agressive or not my post is 100% valid.

It's disappointing as most of these "reports" appear to be third hand.

You missed my point about the near misses, I said that they happen everywhere else "AT TIMES."

I've flown frequently into all said locations and I am also entitled to make my own observations which I have done. Busy airfields with mixing traffic are exactly that, very busy, with different aircraft types mixing at vastly different speeds. I am not surprised a Lance flew "under" some Trikes - he's hardly going to follow them!

I don't care about using my real name. Those in the know, know who I am.

XXX -- "I am not surprised that a Lance flew under some Trikes", well you should be surprised when the reports were that the trikes normally fly at 400 feet over the water, to keep below the normal traffic around the coast as they are a lot slower and believe that safety for all is the most important factor and they fly at a safe height so they won't get run over by coastal traffic and in particular by the operators from Torquay or so they thought.

When the lance rounded Point Danger he was well under the trikes at no more than 300 feet. Is that legal and safe flying with passengers on board?

I guess not, but we are from Torquay where it appears anything goes. If you don't hear us, make sure you have bloody good eye sight cause we may appear in your windshield when you don't expect it.

And as "for near misses- normal stuff", I wouldn't have thought that using a runway from opposite ends was normal stuff, one landing, one taking off over the top of the landing plane was normal stuff, but then I was reminded at Torquay it was normal, remember the two tiger moths landing in the dark from opposite ends a couple of years back and one was written off. No wonder your not welcome at Torquay the normal pilot wants to follow normal operational procedures for safety but you never know at this airfield.

XXX
Jeez got a little lost gave a reply for you on Barwon Heads being sold, boy sure did get a little lost. Mr. Walters you could not have voiced the situation better about the old "Torquay" airfield being a bit ad hock on landing situations where you may get an A/C comming both ways to land (saves time you know but me tinks it may save $1 or two and that may be a good reason in some lost souls mind) and shame on you XXX to suggest that carrying paying passengers would be subjected to going that close to trikes and thinking it is OK.
There was another head on landing between a Cherokee 6 and a tiger a few years back, that was a lucky one too.
A friend of mine flys down that way and says it has been fantastic without the worry of chutes dropping in and around you out of the blue or is that the grey? But when Mr. Hawke gets it going again who knows hope it is managed.

I have spoken to a couple of the trike pilots at BH definately no joy flights, paid if thats what you mean, however they are happy to take interested persons for a flight if they want. It is definately a different form of flying from the tinnies and a most enjoyable experience.

YesTam

Once again the offer to come dine on a Saturday night with us and then make up your mind? I gave the invitation on your other post as well. Absolutely no sky diving in BH area so flying in would be OK. Oh yes make sure you give radio calls as trikes will hear as well.

YesTam
Heard he talks the talk but will not walk the walk!!!!

Gee POL, what ever happened to your other user names?. :} :eek:

Sorry fluffy, I am otherwise engaged this Saturday. I will watch for tigers though.

YesTam

AAHHH Well I tried!!

This grumpy old man reminds me of that ex-TAA and then QF pratt who bought a property just near Coldstream Airport near Melbourne then complained about the aircraft noise.

Made all his money from aviation then tried to complain abut aircraft!